ZERATUL Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 So for some time now I've been thinking about lifesteal in this game. And I came to conclusion it sucks. Why? Well first of all balrogs aura has more lifesteal than those items. 20%(even that 40% from active is meh) lifesteal is nothing in this game, specially having in mind thers ridic items as cauterizer/kuras, not to mention thers much better items to get than naix claw. Not only caut/kura but lot of heroes in this game deal bunch of dmg and you don't even get chance to lifesteal much. In the last few months I can't remember anyone buying naix claw, ever. So atm thers standard build with shinoby/pyre/1 armor pen item/khali/cauterizer. and then depends. Usually I see either lethal/sliptide/galactic/dst/manace. Just as a note, I hate how all AA heroes must get cauterizer unless you are like mega fed. Anyways as you see all of these items are bunch better than naix claw and will always get bought instead of it. So things I would like to see: Cauterizer nerfed a lot, not only healing reduction, but the armor and stats stealing should be nerfed also. Kuras nerfed just a bit(the healing reduction) just to 45 or 40% from 50% Buff naix claw, eternity, maybe even darwins. Just to clarify this is specificly about AA heroes(altho I guess cuz of eternity we can also talk about some spell vamp). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOTHER Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 Lifesteal's fine. Get a healer on your team. Worker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZERATUL Posted February 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 (edited) So you are saying only times you can get naix claw is when you have egon/geneva/yig/ere in ur team? I don't see how the 10% passive lifesteal fine(with reduction from caut), thats like nothing. Edited February 18, 2017 by ZERATUL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZERATUL Posted February 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 (edited) I'm too lazy atm to calculate with specific armor pen/crit but just to show how wrong you are, so lets take an example Lets say some hero has 350 wpn dmg without crit. I'm guessing lifesteal is based off dmg done not dmg attempted so lets say enemy has 50% ressist which is usually the case. Thats 175 dmg atm. Now we take 20% of that with naix claw which is 35 dmg. And now on the end we have cauterizer -50% healing. I apologize if lifesteal is calculated from dmg attempted but even like that its nothing. Edited February 18, 2017 by ZERATUL Adamantium 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysi Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 I've always felt that the anti heal items should be more niche/counter play items than items that are actually pretty good regardless of that unique... Like you shouldn't be buying those items if no one on the other team is going life steal or doesn't have large healing abilities. ZERATUL, SCV and Dresden 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZERATUL Posted February 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 (edited) Exactly. And the way it is made atm is basicly if one carry buys cauterizer, enemy also must or you will lose for sure. Edited February 19, 2017 by ZERATUL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroyer Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 Naix claw sucks, Darwins is good. Eternity was never finished. And yea caut is op. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOTHER Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 If you nerf caut, how will you deal with the high HP and healing which can regularly get out of hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZERATUL Posted February 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 (edited) The healing reduction just a bit, what needs much more nerfed is the stats it steals and maybe even completely remove armor component. Ofc naix claw should still be buffed, and eternity "Finished" Edited February 19, 2017 by ZERATUL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroyer Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 Oh yea you forgot explosive which is only good against bio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZERATUL Posted February 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 (edited) Ye I forgot tgat item is in the game lol I would just make it only for melee heroes and buff it. Edited February 19, 2017 by ZERATUL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamantium Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 I get explosive on shadow so i can luda kill with 5 man vortex Dafuq 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceSpade Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 I m playing spell dmg shadow build with eternity and you know it is good (when team not feeding and there is a tank and\or support in game) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 I think Fell is onto something here, Parasite maybe you are not getting the right items? Asuras Guise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCV Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 Isn't it always good when the following thing happen? 1. An OP tank/support 2. Your team is NOT feeding 3. You do damage (regardless how you build) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceSpade Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Naixclaw,explosive,eternity,darvin,sunflare,asuras - all usefull. Some common,some for special situations. only useless healing item I know is etherfist (not just useless,but very very rare) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackXioN Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Everthirst would be good on some heroes but it just sucks, this item needs to be buffed finally... AND FFS LET IT RELENISH AXIOM HEAT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroyer Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Everthirst is good on Kerri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackXioN Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 yeaaa but sucks on everything else....you would think it would be op on like khyrak or dehaka and etc but just isn't worth...especially over like darwins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroyer Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 You just get both and heal even MOREEEEE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackXioN Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 naw, SFG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayMyName Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 Problems with high lifesteal is that it not only buffs physicall aa carry, but it just makes then snowball - after 1-2 kills in fight they just make monster or luda kills (if they have enough chase, because they are immortal by that point) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonHeart Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 everythirst is for spammy heros, such as virgil, kerigan, artanis, alarak, kuradel, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackXioN Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 still sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonHeart Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 lol thats not what my double luda and 30-4 said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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