fatman Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) Hello everyone. If you don't remember, I made a Leo guide a while back, but the game has changed much since then. I thought I might as well update my guide. Leo is probably my favorite hero (MAAR is dead to me now). This guide will mainly focus on a DPS leo, rather than an INT build Talents Might Fitness Swiftness Cunning Prodigy Fury Haste Haste is a must on Leo. If you don't get haste on him, you're doing it wrong. Items With your starting minerals, buy a >Durans machette Gives a nice healing bonus which will help you jungle easier. >Lightning rod Nice early game weapon speed increase. Helps with your burst damage and jungling, as a Q and auto attack will do a significant amount of damage. >Twin paradox isolater Basically once you get this item you can start getting kills very easily. When you engage, pop haste and this at the same time, and use your Q for insane weapon speed and movement speed. >Shinobi Style Gives you a massive DPS boost, as well as helping in your engagements as most people will not be able to see you until you are in melee range, and by then its too late. Also, the unique gives more movement speed. >Pulse hammer I did not get this before on Leo, but now the change to FoE giving a buff to melee heroes, it has become a very good item. Lets you slow enemies while you are already greatly faster than them. >Sliptide sythe Will cap your weapon speed, give weapon damage, and lots of spell resist. The unique gives you a movement buff in combat, so great also. >FoE Just finish from the Pulse hammer >Contam Shard Before, I used to get Phantom Menace here, but now that they basically have the same movement speed passive, I feel contam is better in this situation. Because you are attacking so fast, you can get the unique stacks up very quickly, and makes you very tanky. >Yamato Pretty much all the reasons to get twin paradox, but now buffs your spell damage as well. >Eternity Once you get this item you can pretty much out-leech a full build shadow in his ult. Its great. For skills I would recommend getting Q first, then maxing your Q and W. E doesn't really get good until mid-late game, so get that last. Well I hope you enjoyed my guide on a DPS leo. --fatman (cLaw) ayy lmao Edited April 30, 2015 by fatman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taznkid Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Hmm...well lets see. Considering his skillset, I think Powerstrike items deserve a mention. Phantom Menace unique gives much more Movement Speed (as well as in stats), plus it gives Agility, which would help Leo out a heck of alot more than the Strength from Contamination Shard....and a better choice than both of them would be C48 Gauss Cannon, since its Active gives 20% Movement Speed (and slow immunity), plus I noticed the lack of Armor Penetration with your items. I frankly wonder if Eternity is really the item of choice...your Ability Damage is all Spell Damage,for which you have not gotten any scaling. Naix Claw or Explosive Retrofit might be better options, but on this particular one I'm not too sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkr Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Ok build, darkr approves. I like the items, so that you have mega op speed. If this was my build, I'd make it all pretty to feed my ocd. I'd also just use a sc2 injector to increase my speed to 10 lul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatman Posted April 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) Hmm...well lets see. Considering his skillset, I think Powerstrike items deserve a mention. Phantom Menace unique gives much more Movement Speed (as well as in stats), plus it gives Agility, which would help Leo out a heck of alot more than the Strength from Contamination Shard....and a better choice than both of them would be C48 Gauss Cannon, since its Active gives 20% Movement Speed (and slow immunity), plus I noticed the lack of Armor Penetration with your items. I frankly wonder if Eternity is really the item of choice...your Ability Damage is all Spell Damage,for which you have not gotten any scaling. Naix Claw or Explosive Retrofit might be better options, but on this particular one I'm not too sure. Yea, Atom smasher is pretty good for the slow, you could replace FoE with it. And Phantom's unique gives the same ms as Contam, but the main reason I choose contam is because I don't have any armor pen items. While Gauss cannon is good also, I already have max weapon speed and it would make the stats of the item pretty useless. Edited April 29, 2015 by fatman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taznkid Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Contamination Shard is hardly a suitable replacement for Armor Penetration. If you don't need the Weapon Speed from C48 Gauss Cannon, then get Xenomorphic Cleaver.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroyer Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Other then the fact that contam also makes you tankier, which is something leo needs. I would personally get an Eye of Narud for the early game to boost your farming, plus with that and a machete, you can take the worm right when you hit 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatman Posted April 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Contamination Shard is hardly a suitable replacement for Armor Penetration. If you don't need the Weapon Speed from C48 Gauss Cannon, then get Xenomorphic Cleaver.... Well with both Contam and FoE, I end up having about 4000 hp, 70% armor and about 60% spell resistance. I mean, sure Phantom offers a bit more damage, but its only like 26 more weapon damage. I would much rather have the armor penetration and the extra 550 HP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taznkid Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 I keep telling you that Contamination Shard is not a suitable replacement for Armor Penetration... You aren't a Strength Bruiser like Tychus, or a Duelist like Zeratul or Penthos. Those heroes have skills that compliment outlasting the enemy. Zeratul in particular has built in True Damage, and so does not even necessarily need Armor Penetration. Leo is more of a Burst DPS, get in, do the damage, get out. His abilities are centered around AMPing his damage for a duration, so your focus shouldn't necessarily be around tankiness, but more around mobility and burst damage (which is why I would support the use of Powerstrike items and Cerebros). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestPlayer Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) tazn you already know how to play leo from watching me don't build him regular aa or powerstrike either the hero is about AoE damage and bursting shap down with massive int items probably the highest damage output of any aa hero in the game, within a short timeframe - and its in AoE too get rod, gravity, warp shard and gg - the OP has some right ideas, but I don't understand the idea that u build the hero hybrid / sorta tanky. make him glass cannon but with a warp shard. let someone else engage or be engaged on, jump in and instakill everyone in enemy team who is near you Edited April 30, 2015 by Soedenone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taznkid Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) tazn you already know how to play leo from watching me don't build him regular aa or powerstrike either the hero is about AoE damage and bursting shap down with massive int items probably the highest damage output of any aa hero in the game, within a short timeframe - and its in AoE too get rod, gravity, warp shard and gg - the OP has some right ideas, but I don't understand the idea that u build the hero hybrid / sorta tanky. make him glass cannon but with a warp shard. let someone else engage or be engaged on, jump in and instakill everyone in enemy team who is near you Oh yeah NP I build him and play him now pretty much exactly the way you did (with maybe some differences on the timing of some items). Just this guy wants a Physical Damage based Leo, so I'm telling him my opinion on what I think would make that most viable, regardless of the fact that I think that INT Leo is the best. I think I did pretty well too, but this Huntress kept knocking me back with Q then slowing me, which dealt enough damage to finish me with ulti since I was so squishy lol pub leo is hard ;_; Edited April 30, 2015 by taznkid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestPlayer Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 leo needs team built around it an enemy team to not being built against it, even if you get a parallax it can only do so much, if enemy team is loaded with cc in the end leo is far underpicked imo, even if it is a very situational hero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taznkid Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 leo needs team built around it an enemy team to not being built against it, even if you get a parallax it can only do so much, if enemy team is loaded with cc in the end leo is far underpicked imo, even if it is a very situational hero Frankly I feel like Eternal Drive is just a better choice than Parallax assuming you KNOW you are going to get debuffed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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