taznkid Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) Just thinking....rather than making this a Agility DPS item, how about making it a universal DPS item? Reasons: 1. It's stupid that there are multiple items for Spell Resist for DPS when burst casters are suppose to counter them 2. Anyone remember old Isomorphic Pyre? It synergized quite well with Nitrogen Retrofit because of Spell Damage, allowing for alot of hybrid builds. I like that viability 3. I just want to make Hybrid Rancor viable again....ever since Whale changed Energy Saber my old build does not work anymore... So basically change the Agility portion to Weapon Damage or something. Edited April 8, 2015 by taznkid Johannes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Just thinking....rather than making this a Agility DPS item, how about making it a universal DPS item? 3. I just want to make Hybrid Rancor viable again....ever since Whale changed Energy Saber my old build does not work anymore... You think you have it bad? My Boros build was E Saber, Atom Smasher rush... I now call it the Mace Windu build because they are both pink now, but it is frigging terrible on Boros, and I have to build crit like all the other noobs.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydie Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Energy Sabre was a widely used item on Boros in EU. Not seen a single person use Energy Sabre (on any hero) since the 'rework'/removal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 I agree Taznkid, why do so many aa items give hp and spell resist when they are supposed to be countered by casters, yet very few caster items have any hp and I think there might be one caster item with an armor component and it's not even very good on non spammy casters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamantium Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 It would be cool to have another weapon damage/ weapon speed item. I just wonder if this change would make it overpowered. Also Energy Saber sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Not quite true it works with immortal who sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamantium Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Not quite true it works with immortal who sucks Quite the valid point you've presented. EterNity, OPReN and Yaldi 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 It makes him do almost as much as a regular bruiser, but only almost, hey it's an improvement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taznkid Posted April 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) It would be cool to have another weapon damage/ weapon speed item. I just wonder if this change would make it overpowered. Also Energy Saber sucks. In terms of variability or stats (considering I haven't suggested anything in terms of numbers yet) it might be overpowered; but the fact that it can be used by just about any hero would balance it (except for poor Narud), kind of like how Atom Smasher was/is (and is, in my opinion, the reason it took so damn long to get it changed). As for Johannes' comment...let's compare. By "possibilities", I mean items that would not sacrifice stats that would boost the Hero's damage Agility Carries: Armor Possibilities: Cauterizer Darksteel Titan (provides Agility AND Strength) Retribution's Edge Agility Stats (so you can include any Agility item in here) Spell Armor Possibilities: Sliptide Scythe Galactic Defender/Vibranium Shield Health Possibilities: Force of Entropy Shinobi Style Explosive Retrofit Strength Carries: Armor Possibilities: Cauterizer Darksteel Titan Retribution's Edge Contamination Shard Spell Armor Possibilities: Darwin's Might Galactic Defender Contamination Shard Health Possibilities: Strength Stat (therefore anything that gives Strength) Force of Entropy Explosive Retrofit Organic Carapace Casters: Armor Possibilities: Khalis Relic Impact Dial (I suppose) Spell Armor Possibilities: Kura's Deathmask Health Possibilities: Ihan Crystal Nitrogen Retrofit Symphonic Seed (which almost no one gets as far as I can tell now) Yamato Reactor (barely, through Strength stat) .....Perhaps there is sense to what he says. Edited April 8, 2015 by taznkid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 In all the games of AOS I have ever played I have seen symphonic seed exactly once, and that was on a cyprus before he was nerfed who went around ones hitting people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSkittles Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 In terms of variability or stats (considering I haven't suggested anything in terms of numbers yet) it might be overpowered; but the fact that it can be used by just about any hero would balance it (except for poor Narud), kind of like how Atom Smasher was/is (and is, in my opinion, the reason it took so damn long to get it changed). As for Johannes' comment...let's compare. By "possibilities", I mean items that would not sacrifice stats that would boost the Hero's damage Agility Carries: Armor Possibilities: Cauterizer Darksteel Titan (provides Agility AND Strength) Retribution's Edge Agility Stats (so you can include any Agility item in here) Spell Armor Possibilities: Sliptide Scythe Galactic Defender/Vibranium Shield Health Possibilities: Force of Entropy Shinobi Style Explosive Retrofit Strength Carries: Armor Possibilities: Cauterizer Darksteel Titan Retribution's Edge Contamination Shard Spell Armor Possibilities: Darwin's Might Galactic Defender Contamination Shard Health Possibilities: Strength Stat (therefore anything that gives Strength) Force of Entropy Explosive Retrofit Organic Carapace Casters: Armor Possibilities: Khalis Relic Impact Dial (I suppose) Spell Armor Possibilities: Kura's Deathmask Health Possibilities: Ihan Crystal Nitrogen Retrofit Symphonic Seed (which almost no one gets as far as I can tell now) Yamato Reactor (barely, through Strength stat) .....Perhaps there is sense to what he says. You put so much work with this one post i will never have to read another post to know you are right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydie Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 In all the games of AOS I have ever played I have seen symphonic seed exactly once, and that was on a cyprus before he was nerfed who went around ones hitting people When did you start playing AoS? Recently, as in since Whale introduced new items, I would said Seed has seen little play because it is overshadowed by alot stronger items more worth of a slot. I used to love buying it. GreenSkittles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 I first played AOS in June of 2014 and it was in my first or second game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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