Forrest Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 All I can say is wow that hero is hard as hell to play. I played him in a decent pub lobby wen 5-7 and probably had a few kill steals. He is so weak early game, cant farm very well and difficult to kill anything really. I only tried him 2 times. His game play is way to hard for anyone to pick him, when other heroes are so ez. Maybe if he could shoot through his orbs I know he would probably out range towers but as its almost unplayable. Gambit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 Yeah, his real weakness is that he cannot chase anything down. He doesn't have the time to set up 3 loci, so when running after someone you just get one w and one ult stream (if you are not too far behind, that is). So you have to counteract that by working with your team. Narud has major weaknesses, but almost all are remedied by good teammates who can run someone down after you take away most of their hp, who help you stay back, who have cc that stacks with your e, etc. I am not sure how that reflects on balance. Other mages can at least scoot and shoot with their basic attacks to finish someone who they bursted down to 1% hp, while narud's "aa" is worthless against non-stationary targets. His spell DPS is great, his burst is awful (please remove reduced damage from new hit by a W orb), his utility is limited to one ability. Still, if you don't try to 1v1, you will be quite useful.... though considering every other spellcaster is a great 1v1er you can easily argue that that makes him underpowered.... Gambit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forrest Posted March 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 Been playing him some more, I think that he needs the option of a normal attack or the use of the orbs things. It about impossible to use verse good players and you are so team dependent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZERATUL Posted March 19, 2015 Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 Narud has rly rly nice dmg. As said he needs better AA, cuz vs better players you will be denied completely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPReN Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 you obviously never seen a good narud (e.g. aerens one) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martY Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 With a good team behind him, Narud can dish out insane damage in mid-late game. He's team dependent, but in no way does that make him weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombieee Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Ive challenged someone to show me a replay of a good Narud, and i have yet to see anything. Insane damage? Who ya trying to fool? Gambit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taznkid Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Ive challenged someone to show me a replay of a good Narud, and i have yet to see anything. Insane damage? Who ya trying to fool? The only kind of Narud that I've seen work is a Tank-INT hybrid sort of Narud. Basically, you would tank damage with Starburst Stream around you, forcing hard core zoning; either take damage to hurt you, or get moving. Problem is, laning is stupidly hard with this guy when you don't have the ability to last hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSkittles Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 The only kind of Narud that I've seen work is a Tank-INT hybrid sort of Narud. Basically, you would tank damage with Starburst Stream around you, forcing hard core zoning; either take damage to hurt you, or get moving. Problem is, laning is stupidly hard with this guy when you don't have the ability to last hit. If you dont last hit with your passive last hit with w it has a really low cooldown and if u dont last hit with that zone him out so he cant deny your creeps just takes some real thinking to play the hero (finally yes) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroyer Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 I played him in a pub for the first time the other day in a pub, went 13-0-18. He CAN do a lot of damage, but the problem is his laning phase is so bad its pretty much a lost lane wherever he is. I've tried to think of ways to lane him that wouldn't cripple your teams early game but I can't think of any. Maybe put him solo long so he sits and can get exp, and have him afk farm after his tower gets pushed down? The only char I can see him breaking even against would be vergil, at least until vergil hits 6. Can't really put him with a babysitter because he pushes the lane and is a sitting duck for a gank. Maybe I'll try him in a couple of games but I just don't see his place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPReN Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 I played him in a pub for the first time the other day in a pub, went 13-0-18. He CAN do a lot of damage, but the problem is his laning phase is so bad its pretty much a lost lane wherever he is. I've tried to think of ways to lane him that wouldn't cripple your teams early game but I can't think of any. Maybe put him solo long so he sits and can get exp, and have him afk farm after his tower gets pushed down? The only char I can see him breaking even against would be vergil, at least until vergil hits 6. Can't really put him with a babysitter because he pushes the lane and is a sitting duck for a gank. Maybe I'll try him in a couple of games but I just don't see his place. mid or solo short is best he can farm pretty well with w the thing is... his passive is pretty bad both green orb and being able to cast abilities after death Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroyer Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 If you solo short you can't freeze the lane and will end up getting ganked and killed, if your mid thats a win for the other team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSkittles Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 I played him in a pub for the first time the other day in a pub, went 13-0-18. He CAN do a lot of damage, but the problem is his laning phase is so bad its pretty much a lost lane wherever he is. I've tried to think of ways to lane him that wouldn't cripple your teams early game but I can't think of any. Maybe put him solo long so he sits and can get exp, and have him afk farm after his tower gets pushed down? The only char I can see him breaking even against would be vergil, at least until vergil hits 6. Can't really put him with a babysitter because he pushes the lane and is a sitting duck for a gank. Maybe I'll try him in a couple of games but I just don't see his place. its eazy to get farm dude lol you put ur orbs in towards creeps in mid and keep firing w's at enemy hero and he wont be able to deny you.. while ur passive hits creeps... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroyer Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 So your pushing the lane as a character that has no escape, seems reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaldi Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Jungle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSkittles Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 So your pushing the lane as a character that has no escape, seems reasonable. its mid u just push and get back and if u buy wards with ur e u should handle them ez and get to your tower fast enough... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombieee Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 Still no replays of good Narud play? To be serious i didnt expect anything either. The problem is some people see someone plays Narud in some kinda inhouse and get positive KD and starts talking about "insane" damage he can put out and so on. Might not even realise its the most stacked inhouse beeing played that month. I like heroes that are different, and Narud can become a really nice hero but he needs a buff. Gambit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZERATUL Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 As I said when this hero came out, he doesent have an ability to denie which is a joke, pretty much making hero like this game doesent have denieing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSkittles Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 Still no replays of good Narud play? To be serious i didnt expect anything either. The problem is some people see someone plays Narud in some kinda inhouse and get positive KD and starts talking about "insane" damage he can put out and so on. Might not even realise its the most stacked inhouse beeing played that month. I like heroes that are different, and Narud can become a really nice hero but he needs a buff. i played a ih yesterday REKT REKT REKT REKT REKT my lane and we won the game not gonna waste my time to post the replay but yea the dustin was only ahead on like 5 cs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSkittles Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 As I said when this hero came out, he doesent have an ability to denie which is a joke, pretty much making hero like this game doesent have denieing. Also you can deny by zoning him out from creep range... he cannot deny and last hit each creep because you're not just gonna stand there ur passive actually deals damage and your w has such a low cd u can harras him very easy making him miss some creeps and not noticing you get some. You can also turn off your passive and on to assure some creeps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPReN Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 So your pushing the lane as a character that has no escape, seems reasonable. You can farm from pretty long distance with w while you sit back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Back in RoA Narud was much better but he had higher scaling on all his spells and RoA didn't have the absurd lag problems that AOS had, that's the real reason why Narud is a absolute nightmare to play, have you ever tried landing Narud's spells at one frame every two to three seconds, it's almost impossible unless they are standing still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSkittles Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Back in RoA Narud was much better but he had higher scaling on all his spells and RoA didn't have the absurd lag problems that AOS had, that's the real reason why Narud is a absolute nightmare to play, have you ever tried landing Narud's spells at one frame every two to three seconds, it's almost impossible unless they are standing still. its not aos its you i have around 30 fp late game super late game is like 17-20 i dont have problems using my spells Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Good for you, AOS is the only non mega horde game I ever have lag problems with, unless bnet is having issues so it's definetely not my comp, but given how often I have to wait for someone to reconnect it might just be the average pubber's comp that's giving me issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamantium Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 I'm used to playing with skipped frames and low fps. That's why I play AA heroes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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