taznkid Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Anyone else think that Arcbound Ravager+Khali Blade (or other Crit combinations) does way too much damage? Makes me wonder what the point of Isomorphic Pyre is. I feel that either: 1. Lower Critical damage 2. Return old Barbed Plating as a fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSkittles Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 or just remove crit. DEATHMAN and taznkid 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPReN Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 meta circles op Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taznkid Posted March 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 or just remove crit. Frankly that's what I want but I'm pretty sure it will not happen lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Crit <Mace Windu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taznkid Posted March 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Crit <Mace Windu Yoda > Mace Windu? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSkittles Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Frankly that's what I want but I'm pretty sure it will not happen lol well pride was roa dev ... roa had crit remove ... >>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooky Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Crits are the most powerful mid game, when there are no high armor values yet. Therefore its very powerful rushing Arcbound + Khali, but its also would make u very squishy. Late game crits by itself are much weaker, especially against DST carries. So at some point u need armor penetration items but again - they doesn't gives u any health or resistance. I don't see anything wrong in current numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPReN Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 maybe da best cyprus NA disappeared then they started to build carries squishy again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZERATUL Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 maybe da best cyprus NA disappeared then they started to build carries squishy again Lolita? Destroyer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taznkid Posted March 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Crits are the most powerful mid game, when there are no high armor values yet. Therefore its very powerful rushing Arcbound + Khali, but its also would make u very squishy. Late game crits by itself are much weaker, especially against DST carries. So at some point u need armor penetration items but again - they doesn't gives u any health or resistance. I don't see anything wrong in current numbers I never rush Arcbound+Khali...Khali ends up usually as around my 4th or 5th item, with Armor Penetration as my last (on Agility carries at least). ANYTHING is stronger where there are no Armor Values. That's why any build damage oriented gets some form of Penetration. DST is a great counter: for the first 3 hits, which, often in a team fight, will end up wasted on a Caster or Tank auto attacking you. After that, you're all fair game. I don't see how Crits fall off late game. If anything, I feel like it's the opposite: Crits are weaker early and mid game when Armor Penetration is absent and the Carry does not quite have the Weapon Damage to abuse it, and is stupidly strong late game once they get that said Weapon Damage and Armor Penetration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroyer Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Its because the buildup to crits is shap. Going pyre armor pen lets you contribute much earlier to fights. Going crit is like telling your team "hey I'm going to be farming for the first half-hour of this game, GL". Only Nova and Boro can get away with going crit, because boro with his ult, and Nova with the extra money from her q. Darpa/warfield/toxi/savage all have terrible midgames if they go crit. WhaleTits 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taznkid Posted March 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Its because the buildup to crits is shap. Going pyre armor pen lets you contribute much earlier to fights. Going crit is like telling your team "hey I'm going to be farming for the first half-hour of this game, GL". Only Nova and Boro can get away with going crit, because boro with his ult, and Nova with the extra money from her q. Darpa/warfield/toxi/savage all have terrible midgames if they go crit. I agree but at the same time....I've been going Crit on Darpa for like forever and been doing fine. Basically what I do is just buy around half the components and get something else more essential, then finish Arcbound/Khali (whichever one I am going for). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPReN Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Lolita? OPReN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatman Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 OPReN I think you spelled my name wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSkittles Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 Lolita? is this a joke? AeReN is by far the best cyp NA/EU/KR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroyer Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 I agree but at the same time....I've been going Crit on Darpa for like forever and been doing fine. Basically what I do is just buy around half the components and get something else more essential, then finish Arcbound/Khali (whichever one I am going for). Except there is one good component for crit items, and that is executioners axe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooky Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 I don't see how Crits fall off late game. If anything, I feel like it's the opposite: Crits are weaker early and mid game when Armor Penetration is absent and the Carry does not quite have the Weapon Damage to abuse it, and is stupidly strong late game once they get that said Weapon Damage and Armor Penetration. Then its not Crits issue but Armor Penetration. Crits are countered by armor. There is no real counter to Armor Penetration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhaleTits Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 In general this is kinda how AA Dps items should break down: For High Hp Enemies -> Pyre For High Armor Enemies -> ArPen For Heavy Physical Dmg Enemies -> Cauterizer, Retributions For Heavy Spell Dmg Enemies-> Galactic, Sliptide For Kite/Chase -> C48, FoE For Late Game All Kill -> Crit For Sustain -> Naix, Everthirst And then there are more niche items that are hero reliant such as: BHM/Atom Smasher Contamination Explosive Shinobi E Saber Cerebro Timesplitter Ideally in any given game, you must actually think through what item you need to best optimize your income. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taznkid Posted March 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 Then its not Crits issue but Armor Penetration. Crits are countered by armor. There is no real counter to Armor Penetration. Armor counters all Physical Damage, not just Crit.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Yoda > Mace Windu? Yoda? What's Yoda? Unless you mean salsaslash, in which case, no it is not. Edited March 18, 2015 by Doom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taznkid Posted March 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 Yoda? What's Yoda? Unless you mean salsaslash, in which case, no it is not. The Head of the Jedi Council of the Old Republic. Should have added "build" to the end if you wanted to be specific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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