PureCheese Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 scaling is still to dang high nothing more to say. no reason a maar can do 2.1k damage and then again 5 secs later.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taznkid Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Let's face it, Maar being able to shave off 2/3rds of your health with 1 combo in the early game with nothing but a Duran's Pendant on him is pretty damn OP. And I'm saying this while running both Fitness and the Spell Armor talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkr Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) Everybody's complaining about maar But they're the ones who fail We all know that from total balance we're very far But the warning point taught me not to blame whale... No more aura, meteor is here Look at boros, slashing without fear Cyprus killing with his walls; So unfortunately, maar now never falls! Edited March 4, 2015 by Darkr WhaleTits, Jaysi and Adamantium 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) Compared to the damage output of aa heroes Maar has very little damage, I got a mega kill as MK by aaing their entire team and my firebat got two of the kills posthumously. MK is stronger then maar and he still gets slaughtered by summers late game Edit: autocorrect is hardcore trolling me Edited March 5, 2015 by Johannes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) Was there a single version of maar than people didn't cry OP about? v3 it was the surge > ult of insane initiation, v5 was the slow walls of death, v6 was the blind and frostwave/ sapspam, now its this..... maybe it's because Hybrid Destroyer is OP in SC2, so naturally any champ using the model must be as well? That would explain how broken micro was for lasted such a long time........ Edited March 5, 2015 by Doom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANARCHY Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 maars range on his 3xW move is op as flob he can stand at a t2 tower and reach a t3 0 skill 1.5 sec knockup insane dmg little cooldown perfect for any initiation / pull its like having drake ulti... but at any designated spot you like with no counter & then being able to initiate off that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooky Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 0 skill 1.5 sec knockup yes, because skill shot with around 2 seconds cast time doesn't require any skill to land well, just like any other skill shots... Lets make this clear. Ability can be extremely powerful and it is in good hands. U can initiate with that, counter initiate, help chased ally or help catch someone and so on. Everything from safe distance. But damage output and scaling isn't very high in compare to other burst damage abilities. 2xW + 3xW combo do similar amount damage as current Cow toilet on max distance. Even area of effect is smaller. So Maar as burst damage carry isn't the strongest definitely. However with his entire utility he can be very strong addition to team. Can't tell if OP since rarely played in inhouses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 In my experience Maar isn't anything approaching op he's better then the absurdly underpowered casters like Dustin but he's still not really even strong enough to call balanced in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamantium Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Seem's we're going to have to introduce you to some good MAAR plays. Have you enjoyed the Rancor + MAAR lane where they combo you to 20-30% health whenever you approach the lane after level 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taznkid Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Seem's we're going to have to introduce you to some good MAAR plays. Have you enjoyed the Rancor + MAAR lane where they combo you to 20-30% health whenever you approach the lane after level 3? 20-30%? I expected it to be 0% :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 A good burst caster should be able to 100 to zero someone faster then a carry could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPReN Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) EDITED-WRONG INFO Edited March 5, 2015 by OPReN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taznkid Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 I've been saying since before it got reworked only skill that is broken is his Q and every skill changed except or that skill early/mid game you will be able to counter maars Q with boundary scanner but in late game, no one will buy scanner hence you will find yourself struggling from sight reduction a lot there should be an item like ts elixir which gives you sight reduction immunity then maar will be fine Are you saying that Maar's Q wasn't changed? Because it was.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPReN Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) Oh shap my bad k rip me then Edited March 5, 2015 by OPReN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucKiesT Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Maar is not OP, I have started playing maar recently and its a nice hero to play as it is. I love how his 3x"W" is doing a drake ulti and 2x"w" has can affect several units, still learning all the "e" combinations:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) Maar is a really weak ROA Tassadar port and nobody ever complain about Tass being op they complained about the bubble indicator and for quite some time how underpowered he was, yet the instant they port him into AOS with higher mana costs halved scaling longer CDs and a non burst ultimate people scream OP nonstop, it gets really annoying since none of those people complain about zera or nova or shade or Boros. Edit: autocorrect be trolling Edited March 6, 2015 by Johannes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamantium Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 20-30%? I expected it to be 0% :p A good burst caster should be able to 100 to zero someone faster then a carry could. At lvl 3? lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taznkid Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Maar is a really weak ROA Tassadar port and nobody ever complain about Tass being op they complained about the bubble indicator and for quite some time how underpowered he was, yet the instant they port him into AOS with higher mana costs halved scaling longer CDs and a non burst ultimate people scream OP nonstop, it gets really annoying since none of those people complain about zera or nova or shade or Boros. Edit: autocorrect be trolling Nova and Shade op. Lol. If anything the two are somewhat underpowered. Penthos can usually do anything Shadow can do, only better. Nova, in comparison to the current selection of ranged agility DPS, is arguably the weakest, particularly after the nerf to base weapon speed and damage. Zeratul is annoying, but not overpowered imo. Boros, I have to admit, is kinda overpowered right now. I still laugh over this one In-House where I used Omnislash, destroyed entire creep wave, and still killed Lolita's Maar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooky Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Penthos can usually do anything Shadow can do, only better. What? Penthos can't leech from almost 0 health to max health in less then 2 seconds and get triple kill doing so. Both heroes has completely different playstyle. Not sure why are u trying compare them like that. Penthos is more like bruiser while Shadow is typical carry. Penthos has strong mid game and is failing down late game, while Shadow quite opposite. Both are melee and that's all. Destroyer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 That's not even true shadow isn't truly melee he's has around 2.8 aa range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooky Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 From mechanics perspective (FoE, Hatched) it is :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSkittles Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Oh shap my bad k rip me then well if it makes u feel better maar q is now infinite energy and is more op. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taznkid Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 What? Penthos can't leech from almost 0 health to max health in less then 2 seconds and get triple kill doing so. Both heroes has completely different playstyle. Not sure why are u trying compare them like that. Penthos is more like bruiser while Shadow is typical carry. Penthos has strong mid game and is failing down late game, while Shadow quite opposite. Both are melee and that's all. Well lets compare then: 1. Survivability? Yeah Shadow has nice leech: but there's this nice item called Cauterizer. Works pretty damn well against him. Penthos R+E works well in all scenarios except silence, but that's essentially the same for Shadow. 2. Penthos has drastically better mobility with W 3. Who needs Lifesteal when you have Penthos E? Probably the only thing that Shadow really has over Penthos is Vortex and maybe the Sight Reduction from Shadow Walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 (edited) Not true, I have yet to encounter a penthos that can two shot anyone except the tank and shadow and penthos are very different shadow is ultra late game and pen this is early and mid game and his damage falls off hard late game leaving him as a tank. Autocorrect stop trolling me. Edited March 7, 2015 by Johannes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taznkid Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Not true, I have yet to encounter a penthos that can two shot anyone except the tank and shadow and penthos are very different shadow is ultra late game and pen this is early and mid game and his damage falls off hard late game leaving him as a tank. Autocorrect stop trolling me. Lol...that's items, has nothing to do with the hero mechanic itself. Build a Penthos like a Shadow, see what the damage is like. Also, you clearly don't know anything about Penthos if you think that he is a tank. Read the above. He's a bruiser. Penthos is generally not built to dish out damage like Shadow. Why? In most scenarios, he wins 1v1, alot like Zeratul. You build him with a nice chunk of resist and health to capitalize on his arguably most powerful ult, the R+E. I also don't know what Penthos games you have seen, but a properly built Penthos in a non-fed game can generally drop a person before Atom Smasher proc wears off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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