ZERATUL Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) Ok first of all I have no idea where are ppl from inhouse getting idea that maar is more op then shadow, if its only cuz his healing aura that he uses mostly only after fight then gg. We all know that shadow is op and saw it many many times, he was changed a lot of times also, nerfed buffed etc..Altho all of those changes were preaty much useless.I dont know how people dont see that biggest thing that makes him OP is VORTEX. Probobly one of the best initiation skills and can be comboed with so much shap..I can remember 1 game from tourny where 1 team was losing hard early game and then shade just started using vortex on multiple ppl and it went in gara combo and some other heroes, cant rly remember.. Of course im not saying his ult isnt OP, but biggest reason it is, is because vortex. I mean vortex-crazy hero combos-shade ult, u basicly cant lose teamfight. Also to mention hes clearing jungle rly easy, and about his splitpushing ability I wont even talk. So my suggestion is to completely rework vortex ability. Thoughts? Edited January 5, 2015 by ZERATUL Johannes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Vortex got nerfed. People raged about it and no one used him. Now vortex op again out of the blue? GG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taznkid Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) Vortex got nerfed. People raged about it and no one used him. Now vortex op again out of the blue? GG Vortex = Lockbox. I just played a IH today, where I went 17-5 godlike with Shadow without even trying. Just Shinobi Style active, run in, kill stuff, gg. Also had fun Vortexing people, since our Boros would then bola them after I vortex lol Much fun. Overall, his skills are all extremely powerful. Q has pretty powerful damage and is a short blink, Vortex = Lockbox, a Level 4 Stepping Strikes provides almost as much Movement Speed in terms of percentage as Phantom Menace, and Ultimate has a variety of uses. But yes, I agree that Vortex is flobbing stupidly good. I think the skill itself should be changed into something else entirely; the fact that it essentially works like Lockbox that also buffs/debuffs in terms of speed afterwards is just too good. Edited January 5, 2015 by taznkid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysi Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Vortex got nerfed. People raged about it and no one used him. Now vortex op again out of the blue? GG Pretty sure it received a ninja buff with its nerf. The nerf was the casting delay, the buff was the move speed buff/debuff duration got increased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkr Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 It's a 3u lockbox that slows. I totally agree on nerfing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucKiesT Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 why not take the lockbox out of the vortex just slow and accelerate? Darkr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkr Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 why not take the lockbox out of the vortex just slow and accelerate? Yes. I agree. Slow more and accelerate more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamantium Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Vortex is too sexy for that kind of change Kane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EterNity Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Shadow is always strong but Marr is on the same level of op or worse. Vortex is one of the original skill set since 4.0 and gives it a complete rework is unnecessary. Maybe lower the range or put the delay back in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Vortex is too sexy for that kind of change Get rid of vortex and we all may as well go play Mines and Magic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Maar way stronger, and I like vortex as an ability. If you want to change it for shadow to something else, you better release a new hero (perhaps more of a support than adc) that has vortex in the same patch. That said, the amount of utility the skill has may be just too much for shadow. Adding or removing a little range, cast time, duration, etc is not really going to change that. Make w a no-cast time, and remove the lockbox effect. Nerf the percentage to something like 8/12/16/20 % and make the duration last 2/4/6/8 seconds. Increase range a little. This way, shadow can slow/speedup a good 3-5 heroes for a long time, if not a large amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamantium Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 It could pull to the center but not remove from the game. Just suck in and slow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysi Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) It could pull to the center but not remove from the game. Just suck in and slow That presents problems as well, means you don't even have to time skill shots correctly on them like you do for lockbox. Granted they can still use abilities or impact out. Edited January 6, 2015 by Jaysi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkr Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 That presents problems as well, means you don't even have to time skill shots correctly on them like you do for lockbox. Granted they can still use abilities or impact out. It can deduce their movement speed and silence them.Ez. Also, nerf ulti's area radius... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayMyName Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 Nerf to shadow - new bug Whenever shadow goes into vortex - deleted from the game, problem solved. RedMajster please asap fix! taznkid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taznkid Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 Nerf to shadow - new bug Whenever shadow goes into vortex - deleted from the game, problem solved. RedMajster please asap fix! Well there you go! It can deduce their movement speed and silence them. Ez. Also, nerf ulti's area radius... Isn't it nerfed in beta? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 Main problem I see with Shadow is that he can do the jungle without any kind of problem and risk, get items really fast and start wreking people. And I don't mean farming for 40 minutes to start getting kills, Shadow is fast and wont let you scape with his vortex, so ganking with him is very easy. I am not totally sure about how is he handled on IH games though, people say, don't complain about how OP a hero is because he's strong in pubs against retards, but when I go see an IH he's autobanned so... Darkr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkr Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 Main problem I see with Shadow is that he can do the jungle without any kind of problem and risk, get items really fast and start wreking people. And I don't mean farming for 40 minutes to start getting kills, Shadow is fast and wont let you scape with his vortex, so ganking with him is very easy. I am not totally sure about how is he handled on IH games though, people say, don't complain about how OP a hero is because he's strong in pubs against retards, but when I go see an IH he's autobanned so... He can take 3/4 jungles solo with just x2 fusion x1 hunters, heal and pots...This really should be nerfed. SCV 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZERATUL Posted January 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 Today we played one game where shade wasnt auto and that vortex nerf was rly felt.Im happy whale listened to some eu ppl and nerfed vortex its righr path of balancing shadow. Btw is shadow scannable in his ult, if not just make it possible and he should be in decent spot, mb nerf his base dmg or some shap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EterNity Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 I have a better idea. Let's just remove Shadow from the game like Viron. The nerf to Vortex is enough and addressed the issue with his initiation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryHootie Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 OMG DONT NERF SHADOW AGAIN PLEASE HES ALREADY NERFED ALL OVER THE YEAR BECAUSE PEOPLE DONT KNOW HOW TO PLAY!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pchacker Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 (edited) OMG DONT NERF SHADOW AGAIN PLEASE HES ALREADY NERFED ALL OVER THE YEAR BECAUSE PEOPLE DONT KNOW HOW TO PLAY!!!! nice reverse psychology harry :-) And where is supermana, we all know he is the true shadow player. Edited January 10, 2015 by Dylan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSkittles Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 XEL?!?!??!!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryHootie Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Noooo.... Shadow is up when his vortex isnt reliable for catching people and when people dont have lag issue or delays yeah hes good vs those people but he is alot more easier to escape now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkr Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Noooo.... Shadow is up when his vortex isnt reliable for catching people and when people dont have lag issue or delays yeah hes good vs those people but he is alot more easier to escape now UP? He can take 3 people without losing health with his R+Explosive+Pyre+Shinobi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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