Atlantis Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Hello people, It has been long time since I posted something on here, and I must admit I have not been playing game much or following forums as of late. Despite that, I think there are few thing I wanted to say, but I have never forced myself enough to post here. So you can consider this personal message to all of you. 1. Thank you: Big thanks to the developers of this game (and all who helped them), both current and past ones for creating this game. It is something we were given for free and they have invested their time/part of their lives for this project. I must say, well done. I had ton of fun over the years and I don't really see a way to thank you enough for that. Also, big thanks to people I had fun with. It is amazing to play game that is in "toxic" dota genre and than have intelectual discussion in chat right after it. This might be adressed to some people outside of forum as well. Some of the players I spent a lot of time with I do consider a friends to this day. 2. I am sorry: I would like to apologise to anyone who I offended over the years. You know, people grow up and change and I think I have made some effort to be as friendly as humanly possible. Still, if you have any "you noob atla, go hell" issues with me, feel free to PM me. I am ready to improve as a human being. 3. Competetive game vs "noob" pubs: Well, this is interesting topic :D. I have been part both of IH scene and pub one for long time. Mainly the pubs as I was hesitant to aproach "pro" people because I considered myself being noob (and I still do in my honest opinion). I know that pubs offer often crappy games, people leaving, people unable to speak english (happens, it doesn't mean they are bad or should be yelled at for it), people suiciding to towers, talking trash, trolling, + you feel like playing for "who makes the most random decision" award. Despite that, pubs can be really fun if you play with people who you know a bit and you play just for fun. It is the true feeling that this is just game after all. And I had a lot of good laugh in games like that (it didn't matter if I won or lost). On the other hand, IH games are really different. Gameplay wise, it is completely different game and has to be aproached with different builds. You have to keep in mind that the other guy does not suck that much for you to fool around or you just loose as a team. You have to draft and for that you need good knowledge of a game + you have to be active, and respected by teammates in order to captain effectively. You have to communicate well and often with teammates and for that having voice chat is amazing addition to the gameplay. And you have to ward, keep an eye on the minimap, organise for ganks etc... you have played the game. I believe so and I hope you do get my point. I must say, the feeling of satisfaction for winning IH game, or league one was really awesome. Now to the bad parts. When you try to enter IH scene, people give you advice and pressure you to play better. It is normal, everyone wants to win. In order to be "pro", you invest much of your time playing game and discussing it, while more important real life matters slip by. You stop looking at game as a past - time hobby and you look at it as some sort of job that you need to be good at. With this pressure comes an anger when things go badly. One thing people fail so badly to realise is that loosing a game doesn't have to mean that you as a team suck badly. It might be that the other team is playing better. Give your opponents some credit and respect your allies. Making mistakes is normal thing and it should not be reason to hate people for it. To sum it up: IH games are more challenging, more rewarding, they bring community closer together but have potential to create really toxic atmosphere if you happen to be in the loosing team and your allies/you are less tollerant. 4. Please be welcoming to new people: It has something to do with IH things I have mentioned above. We, who have invested much time into game and became objectively better than most of pub people, tend to act like ellitists. Judging people just based on their preformance. Who of you have invited to party someone from pub who preformed terribly? I guess nobody and I think this issue should be adressed. We need to actively aproach newbies and help them learn the game in order to make whole pub experience better for them and for us. Imagine a pubs where you always encounter skilled people. It's utopia I know, but by doing something close to what I suggested, we can make it closer to that point. If the guy/girl refuse any advice given, or your willingness to help, they probably don't care about the game enough in order to invest their time to learn it properly (AOS isn't easy for newcomer, believe me). Or they just act like douchebags, which happens sometimes. In any case, don't bother helping them. But don't spill hate and anger on them just for their refusal of help. 5. Be nicer to each other: Well, now I talk about people who somehow managed to become somewhat good at this and didn't get scared off by difficulty of AOS, unwelcoming approach of some people. I am talking about people who joined AOS clans, forums, maybe participate in league or IH games. I am talking about YOU. Please, in any situation, keep in mind you are talking to human being in the first place. If he talks dumb things to you, offending things, it should not be first thing you take into consideration when making your reply both in chat or here in forums. Take your time in order to say what you really want to say, rewrite your post million times before you feel confident that by no way you could be misunderstood. Don't talk in haste and anger, because even "best" people are capable of hurting others even when they didn't mean to. I hope you get what I am trying to present you. DON'T PUSH PEOPLE FROM THIS GAME AND COMMUNITY JUST BY ACTING LIKE AN IDIOT TOWARDS THEM, EVEN WHEN THEY "DESERVE IT". I know there was ton of EU vs NA hate spilled out, and believe me, after playing with both sides you are really nice people. So I don't get it how it is possible for "DarkS" and the NA clan which name I forgot (Quidditch is/was there) to have such tensions between them. I know, maybe it is long lasting rivalry, but please don't fuel the hate machine. As I said before, we are all human beings first. I have borrowed this thing from other forum that I am part of. The only rule that is applied there for moderation is this, and it works really well for the most part: Rule 1: Have fun, but don't be mean; be respectful, and don't pressure anyone. Thank you for reading, take it as my little effort to make this place better. Atlantis martY, Zombieee, Alex and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucKiesT Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 This all very nice to say. No offense, but your point being is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantis Posted November 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Well Luckiest, it is hard to sum up post containing multiple topics, but I will try my best. The point for making such post is that I have spent a lot of my time on this game and within the group of people playing it. And I wanted to give something in return for all the fun I had with it, and being not programer or ballance expert, I think this is only thing I can do. It is my opinion as a person, not saying it is 100% correct or should be followed litteraly. It is my conclusion on many things after x years of playing AOS/ being on SC2. I will try to further explain each point: 1. It is general thanks to people who deserve it. I think it is plain and simple. 2. The honest apology for being ass-hole on multiple ocasions, the thing that is hard to do, but it is neccesary if you want to ever eliminate the toxicity that sometimes happens in AOS ingame or on forums. 3. Is my general feeling about the game and collection of my observation made along the years. You might think it is written in Cpt. Obvious style, but I had to include it in order for 4. and 5. to make sense. And if it interest someone, I am glad I could share my opinion. 4. Well, people say the game is dieing, here I give you suggestions to fix that. Numbers are not that important. I will give you an example: "A farmer has good year, his orchard gave him 10000 apples. Problem is, they are rotten." If you want to keep this game alive, you need to fix yourself in some way as well. I am trying to do it since not-being handful is useful treat for real life as well. 5. I have witnessed some really awful behaviour here, and to be frank, arrogance as well. It is simillar to point 4 in many ways. Please think about it. I would not go through the trouble of going here if I didn't care a bit about this place. Or what I have said. Rule 1: Have fun, but don't be mean; be respectful, and don't pressure anyone. - This works so well on other forum that I am part of. Really well actually and people there are nice to each other to the level of becoming friends in real life. I don't expect that from this community still, but sticking to "gaming communities" "dota community" "lol community" sucks notion, and taking it as an excuse for thought that being ass-hole is somehow normal and should be tollerated is simply wrong. We can do better. Thank you for reading, Atlantis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestZeratul Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 tldr : being nice is good, not being nice isn't good OPReN and Atlantis 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantis Posted November 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 WP chob, you have captured the essence of what I was trying to say. Still I believe there is more content in that post and I hope someone would provide me with a bit longer feedback. But you don't have to really. I don't aim to look like someone forcing moral rules on you. It is just my personal opinion and to some extend advice that you don't have to accept at all. It is all up to you. Atlantis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkr Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Rule: "When given the right to choose between being right or kind, choose kind" -Book Also, I've seen the most BM out of tourney winners/'good' players. Probably because they think that they are better than everyone else because they won a tourney. F33D3R was my first AoS clan, and due to being open for everyone, there were many trolls/bm kids in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantis Posted November 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 F33D3R was my first AoS clan, and due to being open for everyone, there were many trolls/bm kids in there. I am aware of the fact that I have done some mistakes when being clan leader. It is not an easy job and honestly it is really time consuming when you want to do it right. The fact that there were (and still are) so many people means that not all of members I knew well (or at all) and some of them didn't really share the friendliness, that I was trying to promote with loose conditions under which people could join clan. Still events like inclan games were a lot of fun. At it's peak, F33D3R had maybe 15 really good players and many more who were tallented and could be much better if they have trained and invested more time into it. There also were people, on whom I got reports that they behave in the wrong way. I am sorry for that, but I can't guarantee that people that joined my clan for whatever reason (maybe just to look cool, since at some point we were flooding pub games with members) will act in a good way 24/7. I was trying to deal with ones with bad behaviour, but I didn't kick anyone (as far as I remmember, I might be wrong on this, since it was long time ago honestly) from clan just for being bad at game or "noob". Anyway, since I am focusing on other things now, clan is not active in any IH or league at the moment. Irony is that the clan was made originaly as a joke to counter all "pro" names of some other clans. And it still got big somehow, but as you know by now, having loose policies regarding member invitation has it's positive and negative sides. Thank you for reading, Atlantis Darkr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKCO Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 /cheer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Good posts Atlantis. I am surprised in a very positive way by your posts. I appreciate posts like this rather than the toxic posts of the last weeks. I had a one year break from AOS when I returned at the beginning of this year. What I noticed was the huge mass of players of Clan F33D3r. I ended up having like 20 of them on my block list. It was frustrating to get bm and trollish comments in so many games back then. Yes, AOS can be very uninviting for new players, back then and now, too. I started to hate the whole clan until I played with people like ElCapitain, a very kind and normal guy. In my opinion good manners in an competitive game are essential for the future of a growing community. Responsible leaders should not only teach their members in game skills, but also in good sportsmanship towards opponent players/teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EterNity Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 So....welcome to the good side(?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talisker Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 (edited) I really only made this account to say that, as a totally new player who's been exposed to pub for about a week now, the AoS community is litteraly the scum of Battle net. That being, this thread was heart warming. Glad to see that pub isnt representative. But it just so happen that its the first thing a newcomer will be exposed to. But not only is the learing curve of AoS steep (which is a trait of a game with good dept and complexity), the problem is that everyone above you is litteraly pissing on your face while your trying to climb higher. I can't wait to get out of that phase. Edited November 29, 2014 by Talisker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkr Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 I really only made this account to say that, as a totally new player who's been exposed to pub for about a week now, the AoS community is litteraly the scum of Battle net. That being, this thread was heart warming. But not only is the learing curve of AoS steep (which is a trait of a game with good dept and complexity), the problem is that everyone above you is litteraly pissing on your face while your trying to climb higher. I can't wait to get out of that phase. Need a hand training? Add meDarkr.100 EU Darkr.743 NA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talisker Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 (edited) Stop trying to piss on my fa- OH. Jesus. I'm so sorry I missread that. I'll add you later this evening, in a hour or two. I'm Blindsight NA and ManusDei EU. ;D How do you train someone at that game? Get them one one on one in AoS? Can you refer me to some threads here? Edited November 29, 2014 by Talisker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkr Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 npnp Yes, you go 1v1 and teach them all the basics/items/builds/heroes etc... After, you go with them to pub and help them out :-) http://www.aeonofstorms.com/index.php?/topic/3817-complete-beginners-guide-to-aos/ here's a thread with the basics. A bit outdated, but shoould do the trick. Also, can you give me your account ID for the regions? Can't add you with only your user name =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysi Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 Yes, I really dislike when new players are in pubs and the experienced players continuously tell them to leave. Yes you can learn in a game by yourself but only about 5%, and even then most new players don't have the ambition to play against a computer let alone the fact of how unfriendly the average pubber is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZERATUL Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 Dont be like that guys, tutorial is only being asked for 3-4 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revision Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 Just upload the small tutorial that ecko and the blizzard guy did to this site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talisker Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 npnp Yes, you go 1v1 and teach them all the basics/items/builds/heroes etc... After, you go with them to pub and help them out :-) http://www.aeonofsto...s-guide-to-aos/ here's a thread with the basics. A bit outdated, but shoould do the trick. Also, can you give me your account ID for the regions? Can't add you with only your user name =) Mine then would be Blindsight.376 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkr Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 I'll add you when I get home :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucKiesT Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 main bmers don't play this anymore only there are a couple of retards taking the game so intensively as to be saying " I hope you get cancer" Darkr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkr Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 (edited) main bmers don't play this anymore only there are a couple of retards taking the game so intensively as to be saying " I hope you get cancer" I got I hope you got hit by a bus'd before... hurts but is funny... kids playing sc2 Edited November 30, 2014 by Darkr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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