TexasRaider Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) I'm not looking to change things. I just want to understand. As one of the best support players this game has to offer, and a person that plays pretty much every hero, I want to understand why I am consistently picked under people who only play AAs. I can go pub and 1 out of every 3 pubs would have a player that is just as good at AA as a highly valued IH player. If you go into a pub looking for a good support player, you find 1 maybe once every 10 games, and they still wouldn't come close to the standards that I hold for myself. After playing AA for a week in IH's of various skills, I can say with confidence that AA heroes are the easiest and the most boring thing to play. Every IH I was in, I had the highest value, damage output, and kills on my team. Does this mean that i'm good? Yes. But almost any IH player can do what I did. I would like to see an AA player do as well as I do on Drake, Unix, or Null. Like I said, I don't want things to change. Its just fascinated me that people who I dont play with very often fought each other and picked what they wanted to play AFTER trying to give me the best AA available. I didn't ask for an AA, but my name is known as a good player, so they assume that means I play AA. I dont want to come off as conceited, (lets face it I am coming off as conceited, but I dont really know how else to ask this stuff) there are a few, not many, but a few players that are legitimately better than me. I just want to understand the value of these fools that cant play a good caster or tank for their life. Edited March 28, 2014 by TexasRaider MOTHER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxHaven Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 You mean Illyusha? (Pikachu) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeeeend Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 First world problems over here. Does this mean that i'm good? Yes. But almost any IH player can do what I did. So almost any IH player is good ? We then gotta redefine the term good then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOTHER Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 I would go a step further and say that the game itself values AA players more and caters to their needs better than support heroes. And therein lies the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphynx Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 In all truth, finding players that are amazing with AA heroes: Nova / Darpa / Grunty / Leo / Ling / Zera / Boros is a lot more rare than you would think. Yes in EVERY in-house game a player will get at least 1.5:1 2:1 kills on the aa carry's. But the Amazing player will go 5:1 to 10:1 . Those are the players that win you the in-house. OR are they?? This is a team game. Pub games are filled with players that like kills, so they ALL play AA's. Well in Pubs, they are usually vs "Poor Tanks" or NO tanks. And really bad Supports. They feed of noobs and other squishy pubs. Someone always looks good. Put those pubs in an in-house. And all of a sudden their "Awesome" Nova… looks pedestrian. In pubs… I am a 1/3 games godlike Leo. In inhouse, I would sink my team with Leo, Maybe. I am always impressed by anyone who can do carry's amazingly well. But I am more impressed by INT support heroes that never die. Because trying to learn Nully / Raynor / Jakk / Dustin. Its really hard to play these heroes really nicely without Dying. Much more difficult than playing Tanks or AA IMO. I rate good players by LACK of Deaths, NOT on Kills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphynx Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 (edited) It should be noted, that great Tanks / Support heroes, have trouble getting kills/assists on their own without some AA support. Thus the need for the DPS carry. I often find that the player responsible for a team win can be Nully / Rory / Raynor, Even when the "grunty or nova" gets most of the kills. So its mostly opinion I think. Some of the EU groups who first pick LZ/Unix/Garamond seem to understand this more than most NA in houses which first pick Nova/Darpa Edited March 29, 2014 by Sphynx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydie Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 (edited) You mean Illyusha? (Pikachu) Alot of T1 Russian picks are excellent carries but mediocre supports (not seen them playing with the neutral change but I can only expect they took a big hit). @Texas Your referring to NA right? Players I know who chiefly play carries in EU have always been picked higher. People like SouthAfrican were good players no doubt and his skills on most carries at one point in time exceeded many peoples, however he lacked depth in other roles. I mean I would say this is an issue, but then again in pro LoL/Dota teams they have dedicated players for roles. If African/Pika/Deltaforce suck at support, does it actually matter too much as long as they're given what they excel at? @PlayerPicks I think a lot of player picks are subjective and have nothing to do with skill (in good lobbies). Notoriously a certain person in EU invited and picked poor players in IH over skilled ones, leading to uneven inhouses for a sustained amount of time. That is until the Mmori/Super crew stopped this shap of inviting complete newbies and invited skilled players - leading to better lobbies. Edited March 29, 2014 by Skydie ZERATUL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryHootie Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 they should try aa int hero if they bored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EterNity Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Support Hero and Tanks are way harder to play than carries. My two cents. ohsfast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highdrater Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 You gotta ks with support like davidchan WhaleTits and DavidChan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 You gotta ks with support like davidchan Kill Securing is good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidChan Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 You gotta ks with support like davidchan gotta carry with support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphynx Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 KS = Kill Secured. You know for the team.. because maybe the kill was going to happen//maybe not. Not until you SECURED it! MOTHER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogwarts Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 I didn't even know this game had supports mynhauzen, TexasRaider and WhaleTits 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazySoldier Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 AAs tend to carry the hardest(at least when i played) and whenever someone carries consistently then they are usually picked highly. But most of the people that used to be picked highly could usually at least play tanks or casters as well I do not remember anyone who could only play AA's being picked very highly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidChan Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 ^ omerta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamescossey Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 I agree there should be more and better support heroes. support heroes don't have to be killers but something that can make a game difference. medic for sure is one of the best support heroes. maar is suppose to be a support hero be is to op. rory is a great support hero but is countered with 1 item making him worthless. greelus is close but vs none tanks deals to much damage. his drones are not as good as they should be for silencing(as in they are to slow to get to their target area and don't silence fast enough. and his ultimate should do less damage but reduce vision by more. egon is ok but nothing that is special. I would love to see a hero that is based around buffing allies. like a move that stovuk or how ever you spell his name has. gives hp regen and armor. a move that does movement speed + to allies, - to enemies. a wall like cow but not needed to do damage. and for an ultimate can pull an ally from to him range 8/12/16. nothing to strong to hurt enemy but can really make a game changer for the team. MOTHER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroyer Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 I don't play aa heroes yet I'm usually picked high. So Texas, I think your just bad ;P highdrater 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogwarts Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 ^ omerta He is afk at the bank NoWaterJustIce and highdrater 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynhauzen Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 If African/Pika/Deltaforce suck at support Deltaforce was actually the best micro/bio/unix in sotis 5.0, he was insane vorpal. He just doesnt play this game a lot, but even when he plays a support he is trying to carry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 why i have to pick a support hero when i know i will have a newbie on team :)...CARRY for the win baby... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mus Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Skydie is an AA only player, but he isn't highly sought after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Good thing you can carry equally good without having any mechanic skills compared if you developed good ones. Them silly old days was so unfair for badies.. Having a guy in jungle having with free farm at the highest possible reward just wasn't as rewarding back then as it's been last year/s. I think the community has been pretty clear that it's only fair that we can put a braindead in the jungle so he comes out with highest net worth while playing with 1 hand. TexasRaider 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savior Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 awesomeclock does this exact same shap with thresh.. goddamn yellowskins man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highdrater Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Who do you put in jungle john or diipa? You put john jungle nova and diipa solo long lane vorpal. Carrys have a greater impact on game than support. However you want to compare the skillcap of aas vs support, you need both doing their jobs to win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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