zazzn Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 So Jackson is someone thats great in IH, but in pubs, he's extremely boring. First lets address his aa animation, it's extremely hard to last hit, due to the animation and the fact that he's always denied as well. Secondly, his Q is pretty weak. comboed with E it does do a fair amount of damage to a single target and I say single because it's rare for the q to explode due to killing a creep or enemy running away. Changes to this would not change the hero overall in terms of IH due to the fact that they are not AOE effects that are the main contention point. Anyways, his farm ability will make his other skills stronger with items so the scaling could be reduced to compensate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydie Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Is this a joke? Doom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mus Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 How much did highdrater pay you to make this thread? EterNity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxHaven Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 This is Cruisers multi accounting clearly. NmExCrUiSeRz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydie Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 This is Cruisers multi accounting clearly. Haha dat pun you putin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 I remember this guy doing another Jackson thread. He insulted me in PM after telling him why he was wrong. I think I still have the screenshots lol. He is not trolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moo Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 So Jackson is someone thats great in IH, but in pubs, he's extremely boring. First lets address his aa animation, it's extremely hard to last hit, due to the animation and the fact that he's always denied as well. Secondly, his Q is pretty weak. comboed with E it does do a fair amount of damage to a single target and I say single because it's rare for the q to explode due to killing a creep or enemy running away. Changes to this would not change the hero overall in terms of IH due to the fact that they are not AOE effects that are the main contention point. Anyways, his farm ability will make his other skills stronger with items so the scaling could be reduced to compensate. Ok, first of all, you did not state what changes you wish to occur. I can infer that you want his aa animation to be better, but I can't read your mind for the other changes. Second, I think jackson is really fun in pubs. I play him all the time, just build a bunch of damage and oneshot people with laser, it is really satisfying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mus Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Oh lol I thought he was talking about jakk summers. I retract my comment and replace it with the following: Have you seen Egon's attack animation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysi Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 I actually do still find Jackson fun and viable in pubs. SHM and nitrogen retrofit coupled with your level 4 W and watch people try to run away and laugh. He's very strong in lane against melee (I guess who isnt...) but he can also be a decent ganker. I guess I don't really see a reason for him and Egon to have such bad attack animations... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EterNity Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Confirmed. This post was commissioned by HIGHdrafter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moo Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 I personally have no trouble csing in pubs with any hero, unless I'm facing someone who actually denies, which is extremely rare. Once you get used to the delay on the animation it is fairly simple, unless someone is denying you as I said, which normally only happens in inhouses, and in inhouses Jackson and egon will normally be in lane with a carry letting them get all the last hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 A slow attack animation in a way is like pretending that you do much higher attack damage and an instant attack (because by the time it lands, the creeps will have done some more damage to target). Therefore, in some ways it is almost an advantage, unless someone is denying you with a faster attack animation (no one botheres any more). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGrim Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Yeah, you have to hit a half step faster than a normal aa. It's like learning to last hit at towers once you get the timing it's not that difficult. Plus jackson's skills and supporting are the most important things about him, he shouldn't be last hitting at all just soaking exp and helping his carry farm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indo Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Toxi attack animation bad to, pls fix And cain And rory How about cyprus? Egon doesn't need to be mentioned You see how bad all this heroes work in pubs due to their aa animation? :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moo Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Toxi attack animation bad to, pls fix And cain And rory How about cyprus? Egon doesn't need to be mentioned You see how bad all this heroes work in pubs due to their aa animation? :/ All of those heroes except egon have good attack animations... ShadowFlame 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabrielmcg Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 From what I remember, Jackson's q completes faster when you use tpi, yamato, or any increase in time scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazzn Posted March 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 I actually do still find Jackson fun and viable in pubs. SHM and nitrogen retrofit coupled with your level 4 W and watch people try to run away and laugh. He's very strong in lane against melee (I guess who isnt...) but he can also be a decent ganker. I guess I don't really see a reason for him and Egon to have such bad attack animations... Yes I didn't say he wasn't viable, but in most pubs you have 5-4 or 3-5 or something like that that usually goes on, and the game is over before jackson ever gets the items you are talking about. They aren't exactly cheap starting items and he isn't exactly the best farming hero. Ok, first of all, you did not state what changes you wish to occur. I can infer that you want his aa animation to be better, but I can't read your mind for the other changes. Second, I think jackson is really fun in pubs. I play him all the time, just build a bunch of damage and oneshot people with laser, it is really satisfying. , Yes I'd love to see his animation sped up to make it easier to last hit instead of being denied in lane. As for his Q, I never once said anything about increasing damage but allowing his Q to explode on killing something or the duration of 4 seconds are both things that will marginally change the way the character plays. I see the resident troll couldn't refrain from posting about how he's still butt hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomheartman Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 All of those heroes except egon have good attack animations... NO no no - you wrong, my friend. All of those heroes except Egon have bad attack animations. No need to buff Egon in any way. Just create single player map with Egon…. or tutorial. ANd buff others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moo Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 NO no no - you wrong, my friend. All of those heroes except Egon have bad attack animations. No need to buff Egon in any way. Just create single player map with Egon…. or tutorial. ANd buff others. I can still last hit fine with egon.... Only reason I say he has a bad animation is that it takes a long time to deal the damage compared to others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herman Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 How is Jackson with Impact Dial not satisfying no matter IH or pub? Impact + SHM + Nitro = some of the best initiation plus disable from combo in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxHaven Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Toxi attack animation bad to, pls fix And cain And rory How about cyprus? Egon doesn't need to be mentioned You see how bad all this heroes work in pubs due to their aa animation? :/ Garamond. Indo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indo Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 There is a trick about how to lasthit with gara, aa on a creep to denie, aa on your scv to keep 3-4 out Select them and use them to lasthit a creep with 120% weapondmg instead of 60 There is no real bad animation, some just need to be used earlier but there is no problem with that ( compare it to oter mobas, atleast you don't "cast" your aa and it doesn't take 1 second untill the projectile starts moving) but thats all just a thing of what you are used to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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