Spooky Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 I've experienced sad thing recently in pub I would like to share. It seems that even 'experienced' pub players doesn't really understand idea behind support hero. To be more specific I'm talking about Geneva I came across played by Lux Ferre. I saw this guy many times in pubs and as far as I remember he is doing quite well. Anyway game started with drop so it was 4v5 from the beginning. I though 'fine, there is no more leaver income bonus, going to be more challenging'. I decided to went Rancor with AA/burst build which should work really well with Geneva ultimate giving me few more seconds to output damage without dying. Well, I went with Geneva to 3 or 4 neutrals camps before we show up in hard lane and I took every single last hit. I thought 'great start I should get ahead very quickly and carry the game'. Just after I took few last hits from lane and then Geneva typed 'Look at my creep kills. GG WP' and he left... Because around 4 minute mark he had 0 creep kills as Geneva which obviously mean he can't do anything useful with that hero. I'm not posting this to flame anyone. I've tried to reach him after the game to explain why it was actually great start for our team and that RQ was completely unecessary, but he doesn't receive messages from players which are not on his friend list. So if anyone can reach him pls pass him my message or give link to this post. Maybe he will at least learn and understand sth... It is completely uncommon attitude in pubs, but if are playing hero like tank/initiator/support u should try give farm to your carries. Of course if u are more interested in winning the game than getting solo kills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGrim Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 When there are so few true support heroes and they turn greelus from a support into a nuker making the support numbers dwindle even more, everybody wants cs. In na pubs at least, its like in lane youre fighting 3 people for cs, 2 from the other team and your own lane partner whose a justi/micro/drake or other tank/support who want to farm for gravity or atom smasher. Eh #publyfe right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indo Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Sometimes its hard but ez game ez publyfe just get lasthit skills :p if they bm you leave them solo and go farm enemie jungle untill they want you to come back and helo them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabrielmcg Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Solution: Give heroes a damage reward buff for killing super creeps making cs that much more important. that should make all support irrelevant. All men are created equal ~ Thomas Jefferson - US Declaration of Independence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGrim Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 If cs needs to be more important then denying creep should be more rewarding than whatever it is right now. But people have made that argument so many times all ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabrielmcg Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Try looking at Anarchy's solution or my solution to the "Why so Long?" topic. If cs was more important and rewarding, taking out towers would be easier early on. This would reduce the length of the game. I played a pub game that lasted 1 1/2 hours yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooky Posted March 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 I've made already sth like 3-4 posts about bounty amounts from creep kills in lane with all calculations in compare to passive income, towers, etc. Seems there are many players which agree with fact that creeps in lane should give more minerals and denying should deny more experience. Still no matter how much minerals single creep is giving, support hero shouldn't fight for last hits when there is other hero in lane which can spend those minerals in more efficient way. And that was my main idea behind my post. Especially in AoS, where minerals which comes from last hitting gives around 30% of total income, so even with 0 last hits support hero should be in great shape. Moo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOTHER Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 (edited) I agree with you Spooky but the thing is items make or break a hero in AoS more so than a hero's intrinsic skills. Everyone needs farm to be viable, granted some more than others. Support heroes need to be a bit more item independent I would say. This is besides the reality that the game is lacking variety in true support heroes. Edited March 19, 2014 by Jessika heimdallr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeVeRWiN Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 (edited) Most pub support players are selfish. I've encountered medics who save the ulti for themselves instead of the tank, to only save them selves. Team gets wiped, they pop ulti, and still get run down raped. There's no hope for pubby support hero's. Edited March 20, 2014 by NeVeRWiN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooky Posted March 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Once I've encountered Rancor which was waiting with snipe to get a kill. He didn't even care that his teammates were dying during this time, the most important thing was to get a kill... mynhauzen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomheartman Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 (edited) Once I've encountered Rancor which was waiting with snipe to get a kill. He didn't even care that his teammates were dying during this time, the most important thing was to get a kill... ))))0 Its because ppl want to pew pew and steal kill with ease. I'm surprised that this has happened to you only once. Edited March 20, 2014 by atomheartman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynhauzen Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Once I've encountered Rancor which was waiting with snipe to get a kill. He didn't even care that his teammates were dying during this time, the most important thing was to get a kill... Was that player - Silence? Anyways, lux loves to leave the game. He did so last three games ive played with him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomheartman Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Hey, silence still play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaldi Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Once I've encountered Rancor which was waiting with snipe to get a kill. He didn't even care that his teammates were dying during this time, the most important thing was to get a kill... But thats how you play rancor Hubert 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indo Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 how to play rancor? wait untill enemie is <15%hp and then PEW PEW MOTHER 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogwarts Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Maybe Red's change to the way kills and assist work. Will change how pub players play the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaldi Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Maybe Red's change to the way kills and assist work. Will change how pub players play the game. Damn I was just coming here to troll with the same thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphynx Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 I've experienced sad thing recently in pub I would like to share. It seems that even 'experienced' pub players doesn't really understand idea behind support hero. To be more specific I'm talking about Geneva I came across played by Lux Ferre. I saw this guy many times in pubs and as far as I remember he is doing quite well. Anyway game started with drop so it was 4v5 from the beginning. I though 'fine, there is no more leaver income bonus, going to be more challenging'. I decided to went Rancor with AA/burst build which should work really well with Geneva ultimate giving me few more seconds to output damage without dying. Well, I went with Geneva to 3 or 4 neutrals camps before we show up in hard lane and I took every single last hit. I thought 'great start I should get ahead very quickly and carry the game'. Just after I took few last hits from lane and then Geneva typed 'Look at my creep kills. GG WP' and he left... Because around 4 minute mark he had 0 creep kills as Geneva which obviously mean he can't do anything useful with that hero. I'm not posting this to flame anyone. I've tried to reach him after the game to explain why it was actually great start for our team and that RQ was completely unecessary, but he doesn't receive messages from players which are not on his friend list. So if anyone can reach him pls pass him my message or give link to this post. Maybe he will at least learn and understand sth... It is completely uncommon attitude in pubs, but if are playing hero like tank/initiator/support u should try give farm to your carries. Of course if u are more interested in winning the game than getting solo kills. The trouble is the first statement that its a Pub Game. You expect them to play like they know what they are doing? And that they have to and should agree with the Meta game designed by the 50 best players in this game (I.e. jungle-ing, feeding the carry etc etc) You are asking a lot considering the pub players only enjoyment is kills etc. many of them don't even know there are talents to set. I never expect good players in pubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EterNity Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Breaking news!! The majority of the players are bad. Oh wait... It is the same for other MOBA games. Basically, 95% of the players suck and it is a known fact. If you are not top of the bracket nor playing tournament regularly with winning records, chances are, you are just as bad as the regular players you met in the ranked queue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanedog Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 (edited) The issue here is a BIG one and we can pose it with a question: What do the developers want to see this game become? My answer to this question is based solely on the game I see in front of me and where this game is going.. I see the developers struggling to create a special niche in MOBA games. This niche is defined by the way they have developed heroes and items. The developers more than any other MOBA I have played, do not want to allow all heroes to play each roll (ie tank, carry, caster, support, healer etc). In this game, surprise surprise, TANKs will TANK, but agilities generally dont and the same is true for every other type of hero class. The items, while somewhat diverse, really allow specific heroes to build into their roles even more and there is far less overlap between hero classes. There really is no problem with this game. The issue arises when you have a game like this that is used more by the public than the IH (we will use 'pros' in this case) but designed for IH play. The whole concept is designed to force a team to have a bit of every hero type in order to win. That is to say that 5 carries will not beat a tank, a caster, a support, a tank carry and carry. In pubs, most players are casual or novice or both and play the hero they like instead of the hero they should in order to help ensure a victory. So really, pubbers ultimately have no say on game changes and as a pubber, you shouldn't expect to get a load of kills as a support because the roles are much more defined in AOS than most MOBA's. Edited March 21, 2014 by Hanedog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGrim Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Breaking news!! The majority of the players are bad. Oh wait... It is the same for other MOBA games. Basically, 95% of the players suck and it is a known fact. ALL games ftfy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indo Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 The only 'bad' gamers I have ever known personaly were girls D: can't be that 95% of all gamers are girls Mind blown There are 20x more girls then guys in videogames Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanedog Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Prove that fact in the court of law. No way is it true... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manpower Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Idk why people do that in games you don't need a lot of creep kills with support heroes. But that's just me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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