Hacking (map hacks etc)- On a Competitive Level a player is prove to be or is known for hacking

[AteS]

On a Competitive Level a player is prove to be or is known for hacking(map hacking etc)

what happens to that player

is he banned from all and future tournment's?

all past wins by him are erased?

is his team punished in some way?

 

what would be the implecations

[DavidChan]

no shiit?

 

i thought sc2 has no map hack

 

i guess u maphack? why even ask this question

[zeeeend]

IMO banned for life from ih and tournaments

 

erasing past wins is kinda hard but if he has a shiny name it should be removed (work of devs so might take a while)

 

If its a current tournament his team forfeits, and i would allow the losers vs that team do a quick race to refill that cheaterteam spot.

But this seems more something the tournament organizer would have to figure out with time left etc.

[MrGrim]

Life time seems harsh, should be long enough to matter but not so long that the person doesn't try to circumvent it with a new id etc, but I agree with you on the rest. And you can hack in sc2 though it's expensive plus relatively tough to do and people generally use it for ladder. They should also be announced so that other tournament organizers don't allow the player in bc they didn't know and their should be a negative stigma around cheating which should be a further deterrent.

[Yaldi]

Where will the proof come from?

[MrGrim]

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Hacking Nice guideline from Tl I think the only thing that applies to AoS is maphacking and fog of war abuse. Reviewing the replay you can check if the player has unusual movements, continuously checks hidden areas where players are, etc.

[Yaldi]

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Hacking Nice guideline from Tl I think the only thing that applies to AoS is maphacking and fog of war abuse. Reviewing the replay you can check if the player has unusual movements, continuously checks hidden areas where players are, etc.

 

This isnt proof

[TaxHaven]

On a Competitive Level a player is prove to be or is known for hacking(map hacking etc)

what happens to that player

is he banned from all and future tournment's?

all past wins by him are erased?

is his team punished in some way?

 

what would be the implecations

 

Lol pm me the name of the hacker and I will try to deny or confirm

 

If it turns out Skydie's been hacking... well...

[Mus]

Alldaybj is a map hacker. It sucks I know, but there will come a time when he will be banned!

[Hogwarts]

skydie is a"competitive level player" ?

[CoolNoob]

skydie is a"competitive level player" ?

bm

[Anax]

Agree with Zeend. We're not a big community and this is an issue we should resolve ASAP.

[TaxHaven]

skydie is a"competitive level player" ?

 

I phrased it wrong.

 

If someone who partakes in inhouses is hacking...

 

skydie is a"competitive level player" ?

 

I phrased it wrong.

 

If someone who partakes in inhouses is hacking...

[NmExCrUiSeRz]

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[NeVeRWiN]

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Phrased***

 

Isn't it a bit hard to get concrete proof someone is hacking? This isn't bm but we all know alldaybj hacks, but where is the real proof besides our assumptions? On another note, this can be used against people as well, if there are grudges against someone. A well respected player, hates another uses it to get him ousted as a "hacker" who actually isn't one. So many things can go wrong with this I feel.

 

I think it's a good idea to ban the hacker from inhouses and tournaments but I feel it also isn't offering people redemption either. If he perma ban them, that's great. But what if they stop hacking, and try to legitly play games. But no one will ever trust them, it's a double edge sword here I feel. I feel like there are too many variable for this to even happen, let alone work correctly.

 

Where would this concrete evidence come from, besides replays? Also to note coincadences happen as well, and can be mis construed as a hack. Just because someone is found in the spot 5x in a row doesn't exactly mean the guu hacks who found him. Could be a straight coincidence that he found him there and killed him there. Just some thoughts on the matter here, and I just think this is playing with fire.

[TarnumHe]

Yeah, just watched the replay AteS sent me. the one he accused (a guy from top AOS clan) really had some suspicious actions

[Mus]

Yeah, just watched the replay AteS sent me. the one he accused (a guy from top AOS clan) really had some suspicious actions

 

Name and shame!!!!!

 

IMO banned for life from ih and tournaments

[NmExCrUiSeRz]

FRAZERED********

[TarnumHe]

Name and shame!!!!!

 

well, that guy is from a top clan, and relatively well-known. Besides, Blizzard denies hacking in SC2, so lets just say, "suspicious". I dont want to trigger a war here. just look at how #2 FeedChan react already LOL

[Hogwarts]

K, My interest is peaked. Send me the replay!!

 

I am the host of the next big tourney.

[TaxHaven]

I also watched this with thread starter, who is a friend, and saw some suspicious activity in the actions taken by the accused. He pans his camera view into fog of war and somehow 'sees' enemy walk up a ramp while having no vision of him whatsoever. And there was no way he knew the enemy was coming, couldn't see on minimap.

[TaxHaven]

Alldaybj is a map hacker. It sucks I know, but there will come a time when he will be banned!

 

Alldaybj=competitive player?

[MrGrim]

This isnt proof

 

Yeah, then there's no real way to prove definitively unless that guy gets reported to blizzard and they ban in their next round of group bans. Or the person confesses, streams themselves cheating or does something else to implicate themselves. You can still get a pretty good idea of hacks from the replay, which if the argument is strong enough the person should be banned. There should be rules/guidelines in place if a player is suspected of cheating though. Peer review, maybe a group of players deciding or something?

[Ancientmagicks]

I think cheating, especially in a small community where wins and ability are prized and respected, is deplorable and cheapens everyone else's time and effort. Most of all it kills the fun.

 

That being said, suspicion is not proof. I think we should take a page from the US justice system and innocent until proven guilty, and only after all doubt is eliminated.

[Skydie]

Yeah, then there's no real way to prove definitively unless that guy gets reported to blizzard and they ban in their next round of group bans. Or the person confesses, streams themselves cheating or does something else to implicate themselves. You can still get a pretty good idea of hacks from the replay, which if the argument is strong enough the person should be banned. There should be rules/guidelines in place if a player is suspected of cheating though. Peer review, maybe a group of players deciding or something?

 

The player mentioned uses the name 'Highdrater'. Fortunately for him he is A) NA player B) A donor. I still think action should be taken. I will give replays on request.

Edited March 13, 2014 by Skydie