The state of arcbound

[pchacker]

What should be done to arcbound to try and make it a viable choice to get?

 

Right now it seems to overlap much of what lethal barbed does, and honestly that item is pretty situational as it is.

 

The unique that was added with the introduction of the new items was nice, but the price increase just didn't justify it.

 

Does anyone else have any ideas on how to improve this imo poor value item.

Edited February 15, 2014 by Dylan

[HarryHootie]

buff arcbound please

[ANARCHY]

well we all like the movement speed bonus unique it provides which is nice

the problem is the core components and stats it gives that causes it to be useless dmg wise and doesn't provide enough to compensate for the unique

 

45% crit chance

45% wep speed

 

now lets think about every other crit based item in the game;

khali 35% crit chance + lots of dmg

lethal barb 25% crit chance, wep speed uniue + some agi

 

if you buy khali + 1 of any other crit item you still dont have 100% crit chance, this is why khali and crits are fairly useless in AoS currently, unless you can abuse it early like nova

 

now lets consider other items for a carry;

pyre +50% wep speed

contamination shard +wep dmg

shinobi +wep dmg + dmg unique + agi

time splitter +agi + wep dmg + wep speed

 

now when your building a carry you need some wep speed this is usually facilitated by time splitter and pyre, once you have both of these items which have been basically buffed so much they are essential to every carry you will be at max wep speed, thus arcbound is now useless

 

some options to change it;

turn the unique into a timescale buff like masamune used to have

 

remove the weapon speed component of arcbound and turn it into wep dmg instead

 

give it some form of HP or resist

 

give it an active like the old hand of mengsk granting you wep and movement speed for 10 seconds or so

(although id rather see stun knife changed to something like the old hand of mengsk that way carries would still be viable early game without abusing a terrible game mechanic)

[ginosaji]

Lower the price by 600$ and it could be a situational item in certain situations. As it is now, just too expensive in most situations.

[ANARCHY]

i dont think thats the issue at all gino

your just going to sell it anyway because its not viable late game it provides you with wep speed and crit chance

 

crit chance is useless unless your nova or boros

 

wep speed is useless because you need pyre & timesplitter anyway

 

i mean comeon it has a culling saber as part of the item and you dont even get to keep that unique it wont even help you farm....

[Ironsights]

i love arcbound on strength bruisers.

 

4 tanky items, arcboudn and khali and you have a beast to put down that can dish out some hurt.

 

I'm sure its probably 'bad in IH' but it works beautifully in pubs.

[Doom]

Remove weapon speed entirely, keep crit chance and unique, add ~30 strength, and weapon damage, reduce cost slightly. The main problem with crit builds IMO is that none of the main crit items give any hp.

[pchacker]

I like anarchys idea of adding a timescale buff unique instead of just movespeed, but I think that's just because I miss masmune lol.

[Hogwarts]

I always buy arc bound and lethal barb...... Its how i won the last AOS tourney.

[StorMx]

Doesn't need buff i think it's 1 of the best

[ANARCHY]

I like anarchys idea of adding a timescale buff unique instead of just movespeed, but I think that's just because I miss masmune lol.

masamune was one of the funnest items in this game, i was so sad when they removed it

[SayMyName]

Arcbound is little up. As Gino said it cost too much. Lowering little cost could help (300$ less-500$ less)

Problem with arcbound or crits is:

They are late pure dps items but

a) if u go khali u dont have atk speed and enough crits (if ur not nova or boros)

b) if u go arc u have crits but u have no dmg (u need arc+ khali and thats too much gold)

 

Sumerazing if it goes to arc its too costly or mainly it doesnt provide any +dmg

Lethal is cheaper, gives higher as (but less crit and no movement)

even if lethal is worse then arc (arc better for late) still lethal is better choice for early midgame.

 

Dont get me wrong, arcbound doesnt need huge buff, only a small one, otherwise You would see arc everygame and on everyhero (every carry)

 

For example, if You would give every cleaver (like in old times) some dmg +15 (+30 full arc) and price lowered to 3,9-3,8k this item would be very popular

 

Edit:

Or it could stay on price and get +18 +18 (45 full arc) more endgamish, less midgamish :)

Edited February 15, 2014 by SayMyName

[mynhauzen]

Not sure why every item should be popular. The problem with crits is hp. You dont really need khali with cont shard and lethal. You are at 100% wspeed and cont shard gives you high dps. You can do damage with hp after due to easy creep kills. But items with no hp will never gonna be used in inhouse by the majority.

[Skydie]

Buff its weapon speed and make it a better item than Barb - or make Barb build into it. The item is 'ok' and I normally buy it last to replace Barb with (when I go crit Penthos) but it costs too much for what it is.

[Skydie]

Its how i won the last AOS tourney.

 

i have won 2x tournaments and donated the pool prize both times

 

I donated $20 once, but I've never had the privilege of being carried twice in a tournament. =)))))))))))

 

Dox'd.

[Hogwarts]

Dox'd.

 

*4 times, Iv been carried 4 times now.

 

Thanks!!@!

[pchacker]

So arcbounds price has been lowered by 300 in the upcoming beta patch, so the price is now 3900 mins.

 

Not sure if its enough.

[EterNity]

We are beta testing right now. Log on to see if it's enough!

[SUPERMANA]

Maybe have it go what the hom used to do the burst of speed and wep spd and not be passive bur have to activate.

[ANARCHY]

Maybe have it go what the hom used to do the burst of speed and wep spd and not be passive bur have to activate.

from memory HoM used to be 2400 and it gave 60% wep speed and 20% movement speed for 10 seconds

i hardly feel lowering the price by 300 will get it anywhere near useful still;

it has no endgame use this is the ultimate problem with the item, no matter if you lower the price its still going to get sold off for another item

please dont make a band-aid fix for it and not think about it for another 6 months

[MrGrim]

HoM was closer to 3k and I think it might have had lifesteal in it too

[taznkid]

The only single item that I get Arcbound Ravager on is Boros (I don't play anything else that might need it). For Boros, I need the weapon/movement speed that Arcbound provides, so I would prefer that the current stats are not changed...

[herman]

The only character I see the benefit in going arcbound on is low movement speed semi-carry's. Kerrigan and Tychus are two that it synergizes well on. I think that Dehaka could even benefit from it... although other items on Dehaka show much more benefit, but I could see it on Dehaka to spam abilities.