how does shadowmurne works with the SCV heroe?

[Sora]

Like the title said above..i saw some ppl rush to shadowmurne instead of gravity edge..so i want to know how does it work with that shadowmurne?? thank you for explain..

[Moo]

It spawns real scvs that he can use for ulti and it spawns 2 scvs on each attack since a new shadow is created each time gara attempts to attack, so it basically triples his scv production and lets him kill towers very quickly.

[Jaysi]

Shadowmourne creates a shadow of Garamond which then launches 2 scvs and more at Garamond attack rate. Each new target that Garamond attacks causes a new shadow to spawn with 2 scvs. Shadows only last like 3 seconds.

 

It just allows Garamond to create a stupid amount of scvs to do weapon damage and for his ultimate spell. Highly broken and banned in competitive play. The developers should change the way it works with Garamond.

[Mus]

Working as intended.

[Indo]

It just allows Garamond to create a stupid amount of scvs to do weapon damage and for his ultimate spell. Highly broken and banned in competitive play. The developers should change the way it works with Garamond.

 

I'd create a meme but aint nobody got time for that

 

'tbone'

 

'echo matrix'

 

'+400dmg'

 

Simply wreck the scv stacking guy with wall, taking away more hp then you would with cyprus ulti

Edited January 6, 2014 by Indo

[Sora]

so right noow it still working with that itemm? jw

thank you so much for explain..Gara brokenn as flob with that item

[Francuz]

shadowmourne, coa, ihan stacks, energy saber, khali khali khali

[Indo]

shadowmourne, coa, ihan stacks, energy saber, khali khali khali

 

genius, becaus you are having so much energy that it would give you much dmg :D

 

but the idea of using it on him... i have to try it in a inh

 

edit: talking about energy saber

Edited January 6, 2014 by Indo

[TaxHaven]

Its op

[jamescossey]

I fail to see why its op on Garamond but not on other heroes. Garamonds attack speed can only be increased by time scale. his ultimate, yamato reactor(use) and 4 other items have it which Garamond doesn't usually get. in other words his shadow will only have base attack speed. where as other heroes like grunty, gets his heroic passive of 180 true damage at level 18, micros stun, jakk's aoe and immortals aoe. might be a few other heroes. now unlike Garamond who usually doesnt build pyre, or other on hit proc items. shadow for example with pyre, shard crit build and max attack speed. the shadow mourne does proc all those and will have his max attack speed. all Garamond gets is extra damage when he uses his ultimate and some extra physical damage. These SVC can easily be killed. very easy to out run unless your standing in garamonds slow. hence its not broken or op unless your saying the item on all heroes is op.

 

before you say but Garamond will use locked box. that is a separate item your talking about which shadow mourne does not proc so a different subject. yet I will cover it here for you. Where I don't like locked box and think its a cheap item to make bad players good. with Garamond having shadow mourne or not it makes it so he can kill when used properly. easy fix for locked box if someone is own you with it is to get parallax generator or a Mossberg taser, and hit Garamond with it first before he boxes you.

 

@sora yes Garamond is broken. his SVC only do 35% of his weapon damage, they do last for 10 seconds and have about 1 attack per second but they are slow any hero with the talent for movement speed can out run them even with garamonds ulti proced, unless being slowed. that is only one item that is worth getting on Garamond that will increase your svc creation with him. then you have his ultimate. for some reason the talent point for time scale doesnt let him create svc faster. many heroes can out range his turrets with auto attacks, spells or be able to 1 shot them fast. these turrets have no spell or physical resist and only korhal works on them.

[Indo]

@sora yes Garamond is broken. his SVC only do 35% of his weapon damage, they do last for 10 seconds and have about 1 attack per second but they are slow any hero with the talent for movement speed can out run them even with garamonds ulti proced, unless being slowed. that is only one item that is worth getting on Garamond that will increase your svc creation with him. then you have his ultimate. for some reason the talent point for time scale doesnt let him create svc faster. many heroes can out range his turrets with auto attacks, spells or be able to 1 shot them fast. these turrets have no spell or physical resist and only korhal works on them.

 

I looked it up, base attack speed of scvs ( below lvl 6) is 2, so lvl 3 ulti 1.5 weaponspeed I think

 

as for the turrets, I think they should have a bit less dmg, but the same dmg amplify as that is what they are doing good, amping dmg on unmoving objexts also called towers/ levi

[EterNity]

It hasn't been fixed so it must be working as intended!

[TaxHaven]

I fail to see why its op on Garamond but not on other heroes. Garamonds attack speed can only be increased by time scale. his ultimate, yamato reactor(use) and 4 other items have it which Garamond doesn't usually get. in other words his shadow will only have base attack speed. where as other heroes like grunty, gets his heroic passive of 180 true damage at level 18, micros stun, jakk's aoe and immortals aoe. might be a few other heroes. now unlike Garamond who usually doesnt build pyre, or other on hit proc items. shadow for example with pyre, shard crit build and max attack speed. the shadow mourne does proc all those and will have his max attack speed. all Garamond gets is extra damage when he uses his ultimate and some extra physical damage. These SVC can easily be killed. very easy to out run unless your standing in garamonds slow. hence its not broken or op unless your saying the item on all heroes is op.

 

before you say but Garamond will use locked box. that is a separate item your talking about which shadow mourne does not proc so a different subject. yet I will cover it here for you. Where I don't like locked box and think its a cheap item to make bad players good. with Garamond having shadow mourne or not it makes it so he can kill when used properly. easy fix for locked box if someone is own you with it is to get parallax generator or a Mossberg taser, and hit Garamond with it first before he boxes you.

 

@sora yes Garamond is broken. his SVC only do 35% of his weapon damage, they do last for 10 seconds and have about 1 attack per second but they are slow any hero with the talent for movement speed can out run them even with garamonds ulti proced, unless being slowed. that is only one item that is worth getting on Garamond that will increase your svc creation with him. then you have his ultimate. for some reason the talent point for time scale doesnt let him create svc faster. many heroes can out range his turrets with auto attacks, spells or be able to 1 shot them fast. these turrets have no spell or physical resist and only korhal works on them.

 

... dude I meant AA garamond is op. I'll show you when I get back

[Prikaz]

Gara + MK is hillarious.

 

Gara build Lost Treasure -> Miner's Goggles -> Dominion Standard -> Shadowmourne

MK build COA -> Khorhal -> anything else

 

Both get transport for more tower smash opportunities. Tried a few games as this, if someone isn't in their lane for siege creep it's as good as dead (even at the one around 6 minute mark).

 

Even better with a maar.. Can backdoor the last main tower 100->0 before level 18 in less time than the team can come home to defend..

Edited January 7, 2014 by Dylan
posts merged, please just edit your post instead of double posting.

[Indo]

Ah I now remebered what causes shadowmournee gara to wreck stuff and make him op antipusher

 

Whenever the target unit dies, he autochanges target and new shadow appears, spawnng 2 scvs instantly---> the more small units are there, the more scvs will spawn becaus basicaly whenever one dies 2 new ones come up ( endgame when he clears a creepwave ( 9 small screeps) this spawns 18 assitional scvs in less then 6 seconds) thus making him op counterpush/push

[jamescossey]

 

 

... dude I meant AA garamond is op. I'll show you when I get back

 

AA Garamond can be very strong yes. but any other AA hero with explosive retrofit will totally counter him. Anyone wondering what tax is talking about is when building glass cannon weapon damage crit build Garamond you can get your SVC to each crit for like 500. 10 svc out would be 5k damage. what he fails to say is how easy it is to counter this. explosive retro fit, Mossberg taser(Garamond doesn't spawn new svc). and lets not forget if your attacking Garamond with an AOE spell it kills his svc before he can attack with them. best example again would be like shadow witih explosive retrofit. as his svc spawn they die.

[Indo]

Mossberg taser(Garamond doesn't spawn new svc).

 

I do agree that this is a nice counter, i use it to when i play gaainst him but I think, this shouldn't be like it is, Taser should not stop a hero to autoattack