CoolNoob Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) Just a simple question Would it affect the game at all? How about Remaking the hero, new abilities! Shadow's. Q is ok since he needs to do a good amount of damage since he is melee His. W is just soo Op... One of the best abilities in game that is not an ultimate.... His. E is ok R is ok People say "shadow is balanced no worries" , what makes him op is his passive speed is just too good + vortex and starting damage.... His starting damage and agi scaling is just way too much.. Edited January 6, 2014 by CoolNoob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moo Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Shouldn't this be in the balance debate section? As to the OP, I disagree. He is melee, and as such is at a great disadvantage. He needs to have the passive speed and large agi scaling to be on par (or attempt to be, since they are still better than him) with nova and darpa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indo Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 no its a debatte about should we or should we not completly rethink the hero, if it were for adjusting abilitys/scaling, then it should be in balance debatt no? just asking for future posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moo Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 no its a debatte about should we or should we not completly rethink the hero, if it were for adjusting abilitys/scaling, then it should be in balance debatt no? just asking for future posts He says shadow is OP and should be remade in his post, which sounds like a balance debate topic to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mus Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Moo is backseat modding again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) jackson shuts him down pretty good, and is for some reason barely picked in inhouse. the W passive, with a chilling does wonders to melee aa's Not even going to mention the usefulness of e and r. Edited January 6, 2014 by John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolNoob Posted January 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) Apache played shadow in an ih.. It was just so ridiculous, had a phase cloak and a machette + stun knife and his damage was around 168-180 And take a look at vortex... You are shadow you have 180 dps lets say... You jump into a fight (ih) attack someone.. 2 options if u failed to kill the target what u do ? Vortex and I'm bye I'm out ofc you are not going to use vortex as initiation on a ih.. So giving a character the best starting damage , best agi scale , best gap abilities is not op and balanced ? Edited January 6, 2014 by CoolNoob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moo Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) Moo is backseat modding again... When I asked a mod what to do when something is in the wrong forum, they said ask more nicely, so I'm not. Apache played shadow in an ih.. It was just so ridiculous, had a phase cloak and a machette + stun knife and his damage was around 168-180 And take a look at vortex... You are shadow you have 180 dps lets say... You jump into a fight (ih) attack someone.. 2 options if u failed to kill the target what u do ? Vortex and I'm bye I'm out ofc you are not going to use vortex as initiation on a ih.. So giving a character the best starting damage , best agi scale , best gap abilities is not op and balanced ? I think so, because he is melee. A ranged carry has so many advantages with that range that melee heroes need their strengths to put them on the same level, and nova and darpa are still much more popular picks than shadow, even though he has those advantages. Why? He is melee. -merged posts Edited January 6, 2014 by CoolNoob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolNoob Posted January 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) Moo is backseat modding again... "Moo" said When I asked a mod what to do when something is in the wrong forum, they said ask more nicely, so I'm not. "Me" I agree with you :) you nicely clarified in which section this topic should go. I nicely moved it to the right section. No problem. Edit: the page didn't let me quote moo Thanks Edited January 6, 2014 by CoolNoob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxHaven Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Apache played shadow in an ih.. It was just so ridiculous, had a phase cloak and a machette + stun knife and his damage was around 168-180 And take a look at vortex... You are shadow you have 180 dps lets say... You jump into a fight (ih) attack someone.. 2 options if u failed to kill the target what u do ? Vortex and I'm bye I'm out ofc you are not going to use vortex as initiation on a ih.. So giving a character the best starting damage , best agi scale , best gap abilities is not op and balanced ? I'm guessing shadow was jungle which means he is ahead in level and farm anyways so you can't take him on 1v1. He is fine as is... I see him picked less in pubs now since people realized its not the op hero anymore Moo and Ironsights 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaldi Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 I'm guessing shadow was jungle which means he is ahead in level and farm anyways so you can't take him on 1v1. He is fine as is... I see him picked less in pubs now since people realized its not the op hero anymore So what you are saying is that shadow isnt broken the jungle is. I believe this is the first time anyone has brought this up:) John and Destroyer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxHaven Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Yep http://www.aeonofstorms.com/index.php?/topic/5063-jungle-too-rewarding/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysi Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Apache played shadow in an ih.. OPache. Shadow is actually useful in IH and isn't stupidly hard to target. I have no problem with him. Moo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indo Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) I'm guessing shadow was jungle which means he is ahead in level and farm anyways so you can't take him on 1v1. He is fine as is... I see him picked less in pubs now since people realized its not the op hero anymore y u cannot 1n1 him? brine/micro can! also i do see some random tards playing shadow in pubs, farming untill minute 25 and then going monsterkill while pushing two towers down at the same time Edited January 6, 2014 by Indo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moo Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 also i do see some random tards playing shadow in pubs, farming untill minute 25 and then going monsterkill while pushing two towers down at the same time But the number of them has diminished significantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwolla Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Shadow in pubs is just jungling and sneaky tower killing and backdooring. It's a role thats annoying to fight against imo. But when it comes down to actually playing the game, pub shadows suck balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolNoob Posted January 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 OPache. Shadow is actually useful in IH and isn't stupidly hard to target. I have no problem with him. you mean OPche , and if opche says it's op And gave us good reasons then it is op..Anyways the reason of me making this post was to know if it would actually be better if we just(devs) remake the hero. New abilities, just think pub without shadow 4/5 times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOTHER Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) He really just needs to show on the radar when he attacks. He's too good of a pusher (when his skill set is intended for carrying and assassination) and it is because of his radar invisibility. Edited January 6, 2014 by Jessika Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aletoledo Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 I only play pubs, but I see no problem with shadow, it's all the other heroes that need to be brought up to his level. Obviously there are other tier 1 heroes (e.g. nova, zera) that are fine as well, but the infrequently chosen heroes need a buff to bring them on par to the tier 1 heroes. There seems to be a delicate balance to keep something from becoming OP, so it's probably best to leave the tier 1 heroes alone at the moment. Something needs to change to break the tier one stranglehold on hero selection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indo Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 I only play pubs, but I see no problem with shadow, it's all the other heroes that need to be brought up to his level. Obviously there are other tier 1 heroes (e.g. nova, zera) that are fine as well, but the infrequently chosen heroes need a buff to bring them on par to the tier 1 heroes. There seems to be a delicate balance to keep something from becoming OP, so it's probably best to leave the tier 1 heroes alone at the moment. Something needs to change to break the tier one stranglehold on hero selection. am I right to guess that you main one of these tier 1 heroes? well if you want to buff " lower" tier heroes, HERE WE COME, MORE RAYNOR BUFFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moo Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 I only play pubs, but I see no problem with shadow, it's all the other heroes that need to be brought up to his level. Obviously there are other tier 1 heroes (e.g. nova, zera) that are fine as well, but the infrequently chosen heroes need a buff to bring them on par to the tier 1 heroes. There seems to be a delicate balance to keep something from becoming OP, so it's probably best to leave the tier 1 heroes alone at the moment. Something needs to change to break the tier one stranglehold on hero selection. Zeratul and shadow aren't tier one heroes, unless you are talking about the best heroes to carry with no premades in pubs. The game shouldn't be balanced based around pubs. There should be changes to make the pub scene more noob-friendly IMO, but the game should not be balanced around pubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indo Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Zeratul and shadow aren't tier one heroes, unless you are talking about the best heroes to carry with no premades in pubs. The game shouldn't be balanced based around pubs. There should be changes to make the pub scene more noob-friendly IMO, but the game should not be balanced around pubs. at some point I agree, but it would be way better to improve the quality of pubs since they cover >95% of the games Mostly some dudes that think they know the game going rambostyle hardcarry currently just bm at new players that are sometimes even more skilled then they are just so they get leaverbonus and can win fights 1n2-3.... This isn't the way to go since nowadays, we have way less new players joining as it seems Moo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moo Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 at some point I agree, but it would be way better to improve the quality of pubs since they cover >95% of the games Mostly some dudes that think they know the game going rambostyle hardcarry currently just bm at new players that are sometimes even more skilled then they are just so they get leaverbonus and can win fights 1n2-3.... This isn't the way to go since nowadays, we have way less new players joining as it seems I agree, and I personally make an attempt to party with new players and teach them the ropes, along with babysitting them for awhile so they can have some games where they do well. I have made quite a few friends like this and a lot of them have kept playing AoS regularly. If a lot of people started helping newer players I think this game would be a lot more popular, since AoS pubs are quite uninviting, and were the same way when I started as a noob. People flame and rage at you constantly if you are 0-3 or worse, and can be seriously frustrating, and I even get a headache when the flame and rage is directed at someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxHaven Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 I only help those who listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EterNity Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Everything will stay the same. Only thing you need to do is replace every single word "shadow" on the forums with the word "Zera." CoolNoob and MOTHER 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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