Egon... Why is he still in AOS

[FinalEnd]

He is 100% useless...........

[RedHydra]

Hm, looks like we're going to need people to start playtesting him seriously and fairly.

[Hogwarts]

Hm, looks like we're going to need people to start playtesting him seriously and fairly.

 

he still lags

[EterNity]

Egon still lags just like Darpa's endgame lags which hasn't be fixed from the dawn of creations.

[Hogwarts]

Egon still lags just like Darpa's endgame lags which hasn't be fixed from the dawn of creations.

 

I never had the egon lag,

 

but highdrater has mentioned a few times it makes him lag. The frame rate just plummets

[EterNity]

It has to do with your graphic settings.

[FinalEnd]

Egon does no damage and his heal is terrible. He is totally useless omg I regret choosing random in a pub game!!. I went 6 and 6 with him in a pub, i'm officially the best AOS player of all time. (Jokes)

 

I dare anyone of you guys to pick this hero, and try to make him viable.

[ginosaji]

His heal seems to be weaker than Medic's, much weaker. So unless you need a silence in your team comp, medic wins out especially with her ult being so powerful.

[EterNity]

That's what happens to a hero that fails to gain attention from our developers. He may as well be removed like Viron and never come back.

 

On the other hand, let's buff Immortal because he's under-played!

[Ancientmagicks]

He may have been a bit OP before but the nerflage he endured basically made him a creep for the purge team to munch on.

 

Just out of curiosity how are nerfs and buffs determined in the sense of how you alter a hero?

Do you arbitrarily just start changing things on paper? Or is there an in game test. Because with egon it seemed arbitrary with a devil may care approach.

 

Not being a troll, just legitimately wondering.

[ANARCHY]

i agree egon is way UP

 

his AoE heal while strong if the whole team is there is good but basically it insta dies to any long range skill shot, heck you can even bola it

 

Q heal is useless, lasts barely any time and heals next to nothing this also happened because argus crystal was removed from the game and replaced with a true dmg item instead of a spell increase item

Q damage isnt that great either with all the added health regen items into the game, a lost treasure basically nullifies its affects

 

W silence.... why wouldnt you just pick greelus.... or raynor or any other hero in the game...

 

ultimate is strong and thats the reason his Q & W got nerfed

IMO AoS developers tend to do things backwards and nerfed his completely balanced abilities instead of nerfing or changing his ulti

[Skydie]

Egon does no damage and his heal is terrible. He is totally useless omg I regret choosing random in a pub game!!. I went 6 and 6 with him in a pub, i'm officially the best AOS player of all time. (Jokes)

 

I dare anyone of you guys to pick this hero, and try to make him viable.

 

Unfortunately I am unable to post a build to help you in your aim to become a better Egon player. Nevertheless this weekend I will take time out of my busy schedule to help enlighten you on the many strengths of Egon. (I'll post a replay here of me whopping ass).

 

Previously there was a point when Egon was ridiculously powerful. So powerful in fact I could carry with him throughout the entire Early - beginning of the Late game with ease. For example, Egon vs Nova was so easy due to how strong his Q/W were. A player has suggested Medic's ultimate is superior to Egon's, this is true. On the other hand Egon's skill-set give the ability to sustain himself and an ally in a lane easily. His laning phase supporting skills made Egon be deemed too powerful in IH, allowing him to snowball a team magnificently in the mid game. I will try to build a int hybrid DPS-esque Egon build, like my Medic one, incorporating Cerebro/Stars. While this will played in the hands of a pro will be dazzling, it shows the hero isn't working as he's meant to.

Edited December 14, 2013 by Skydie

[heimdallr]

His only "real" skill is his W even though the silence is short, and E if he has many tanks near to take advantage of the life gain.

 

Even going full int(just for testing) his healings and damage are marginal...according to tooltip at least, i was amazed until i read tha tthe damage displayed isover the duration of the spell. Then whatever intel scaling it had is just divided by the amount of time, this making that intel scaling between 1/2 and 1/4 of what you`d expect from any other intel character(heal per second or dps wise).

 

Even wearing the up item ancient thingy the duration is so short and the item damage so little that it hardly even damages.

 

Well then lets try make him a tank. It feels like a blank sheet of paper with tanky items. Yes he can have life and he is there....period. He can still do nothing(but bear those aura items but any character can do so as well). Being tanky he has no intel scaling but also the base skills with no scaling are worhtless. also remember that unlike previous egon versions now the Q stacks are limited to 2 and with ulti to 4(still not impressive). His W still for silence timings and almost no damage, his E works better for him at least since he will have more life as a tank. And thats about it.

 

I`m still kinda trying to make cerebro-fury/atom builds work but the internal cooldown on the items makes it kinda hard sometimes and you still need intel to make them dps oriented and then egon becomes too squishy to sustain those chain "combos"

 

My personal opinion is this character should be reworked a bit. Definitely amplify his healing powers since he should not heal less than the non original healer characters over time at least (queen can heal more to a cluster of characters and geneva can burst heal and save someone from death per se, but egon should be the embodyment of the healer character spaming that Q all over the place)

 

He should have better healing Q and to maybe get something depending on amount of life healed to allies. I mean, people are afraid of his Q being imba source of damage again, im fine with that. But maybe he could get some form of POTENTIAL damage based on how much he heals his allies (maybe something you release with ultimate dunno)

[heimdallr]

btw if anyone cares this is the most succes ive had with him

 

treasure, googles, rush atom smasher(yeah you read it right), cerebro, then just ihan tanky items specially if they give cdr and or organic

 

thats it...the only way ive made it work

 

REASONING:

-Atom smasher why? spell damage is flat(you dont need weapon damage nor int to scale it) and the slow on enemy heroes my come in handy. Also, of all the ability casting charge items this is the ONLY one that gives you tankyness and even squishy egon is on par with other heroes after getting this.

-Then cerebro. Why? duh. Flat 200 damage lightnings even with no int scaling, cdr, and some int, and the active may help you regen energy leaving more uses of W for offensive silence. It is very easy to get consecutive lightnings with Q. Once you have this 2 items at least you do decent versus creep waves and have some minor battle usages.

-ihan: cause it gives you int, life and sustain. The earlier you get the charges the earlier you can sell it.

 

thats the core. deals damage through casting fast spells charging items. I could get some kills and not dying much if i had a proper team. actually even with shapty team I was on par with kills. The lightnings sometimes hit enemies farther than I could normally get, allowing me to get assists even from the back. With your timings right you should add about 350-400 spell damage every 3 seconds more or less. a bit more than 100 dps. That WHILE doing your abilities for whatever. That is the most you can ask of actual egon.

 

Items that follow are either aura items with cdr (vanguard, buffer, chilling, coa) or items that make you harder to gank (dst, organic, force of entropy, swordbreaker/taser) in any combination between both groups.

 

for those that would like to get more dps items i hardly suggest AGAINST it. Egon is still uber squishy and the damage it gets from this build rellies on him being alive to keep dishing it, instead of a burst build. Get items that help you keep alive yourself to keep the cycling of atom + cerebro (heal yourself, boom, land E, silence enemy with W boom, heal yourself, boom).

 

About this. Cerebro can be procced more often than atom smasher aparently. Don`t know the exact mechanics but from testing I know this. Since you will probably get organic at some point you may consider poking fighting style....you charge befoe teamfight, target an enemy, fall back, cast spells, once you see the red thing(atom) and the lightning(both items charged) yo go in for another boom shot + slow.

 

Alternatively the atom ability will sometimes be used to target an enemy chasing your teammate running into a tower or something, thus leaving him helpless for a couple of secs for tower or your own team to punish his diving.

 

There you got my 2 cents from 2 hour testing builds.

[Indo]

Like vessel... the range on e was op as flob but the dmg on q just sligtly to high.. now we have what on q.. 10% int and 50basedmg as truedmg for 5 seconds? wow thats 250+50% int dot... endgame maybe 500 when you stack int and go squishy... its nothing lmo but for the slow on 1 target

[ANARCHY]

Like vessel... the range on e was op as flob but the dmg on q just sligtly to high.. now we have what on q.. 10% int and 50basedmg as truedmg for 5 seconds? wow thats 250+50% int dot... endgame maybe 500 when you stack int and go squishy... its nothing lmo but for the slow on 1 target

true dmg = no slow

arr unless your reffering to greelus

Edited December 14, 2013 by ANARCHY

[Doom]

Egon does no damage and his heal is terrible. He is totally useless omg I regret choosing random in a pub game!!. I went 6 and 6 with him in a pub, i'm officially the best AOS player of all time. (Jokes)

 

I dare anyone of you guys to pick this hero, and try to make him viable.

 

Challenge Accepted! Before this day is through, I shall post a replay of me owning fools. If I can't get a game where I do that, surely he is underpowerd.

[ginosaji]

He may have been a bit OP before but the nerflage he endured basically made him a creep for the purge team to munch on.

 

Just out of curiosity how are nerfs and buffs determined in the sense of how you alter a hero?

Do you arbitrarily just start changing things on paper? Or is there an in game test. Because with egon it seemed arbitrary with a devil may care approach.

 

Not being a troll, just legitimately wondering.

 

The recent nerf makes sense and isn't arbitrary at all. I think they probably should've either capped the stacks or reduced duration one at a time before they did both. Ancient rune synergizes exceptionally well with DOTs. The fear was that he would be op with new items, though he was never really tested IH after the model change (attempt to get rid of lag) and before he got this significant nerf. It was a drastic nerf considering he hadn't really been tested. Here's the changelog:

 

 

http://www.aeonofsto...og-v1131-v1141/

Edited December 14, 2013 by ginosaji

[RedHydra]

That's what happens to a hero that fails to gain attention from our developers. He may as well be removed like Viron and never come back.

 

"Fail to gain attention from our developers" That was not the case at all. It was you guys on Mumble, couple of months ago, that said Egon was still broken every time it was nerfed moderately. Now all of sudden you're turning the blame on us?

[heimdallr]

The recent nerf makes sense and isn't arbitrary at all. I think they probably should've either capped the stacks or reduced duration one at a time before they did both. Ancient rune synergizes exceptionally well with DOTs. The fear was that he would be op with new items, though he was never really tested IH after the model change (attempt to get rid of lag) and before he got this significant nerf. It was a drastic nerf considering he hadn't really been tested. Here's the changelog:

 

 

http://www.aeonofsto...og-v1131-v1141/

 

i think considering that 2 stacks wont make ancient rune stack twice they could give back the 12 second duration and if the damage seems so op then at least double the HEALING factor only

[ginosaji]

i think considering that 2 stacks wont make ancient rune stack twice they could give back the 12 second duration and if the damage seems so op then at least double the HEALING factor only

 

Yea, the main reason why it was strong was the duration, because Rune could tick so many times even with one stack on the enemy. Combine that with a 12 second slow of Nitro and it becomes very powerful when he throws a stack on every hero on the team for 12 seconds. I haven't really thought about a solution yet, I'll have to consider it further.

 

 

"Fail to gain attention from our developers" That was not the case at all. It was you guys on Mumble, couple of months ago, that said Egon was still broken every time it was nerfed moderately. Now all of sudden you're turning the blame on us?

 

This is entirely true and a prime example of overzealous blame that goes on around here between devs and mumblers. We're all guilty of it from time to time Eternity, I don't mean to single you out, I'm just trying to point out that there's too much needless animosity around here on both sides. Close-mindedness will not get us closer to our common goal. We mumblers were the ones that complained about egon a few months ago. No one really tested him or had any real tangible evidence or suggestions. I'll admit, I was one of them. We jumped on the "give the devs a hard time for ignoring egon again" band-wagon and didn't actaually take the time to try and understand the situation before doing so. As for lag, I don't really have issues with him, nor did I before the model change.

 

I bring all this up just to try to point out that many times we have the same goals, but different perspectives. Sometimes we can't see when we're blinded by that perspective.

 

Edit: I'm not saying the devs are blameless either if that's what it sounds like, it's just in this scenario that we were wrong. I have my gripes with them too, but I try to take care of it privately if it's not a community cooncerning issue.

Edited December 14, 2013 by ginosaji

[Revision]

hes not that up... his ult gives insane int and debuff immunity. imo hes just as good as medic, if not better because he can actually do dmg

[highdrater]

Yeah Egon was op and now closer to balanced. He's just autod cause of frame rate drop

[Doom]

First game I've played as Egon today. Played as support, I will try aa and int stacking builds some other time. I instantly get ganked in the jungle by premade bastards, and die for first blood. Other than that, game went quite well, I dominated mid lane, outcreeping everyone at the start, and outlaning cain. Later on, Rory and I just destroy them over and over. In the process discover just how good egon is against micro. Proton Pack is possibly the single best non-ult spell in the game. Final score is something like 8-1-15

 

http://www.sendspace.com/file/2swdg8

Edited December 14, 2013 by Doom

[Revision]

how come egons DoT lags but toxis doesnt? is it possible to change it so it doesnt lag?