Star Scream hit like a truck without items...

[Lios]

Pls, his rocket is like Gyrocopter's Aoe rocket barrage... Can't handle the heat as melee... Even if there's ranged a single CC will help him catch up to them.

 

Either make his Q's rocket hit a single random target or decrease a bit of it's base dmg and let it deal bonus dmg to something, like enemy that are slowed, stunned or below % health vv....

[Moo]

Meh, he has nothing else for damage without items and he has like no cc, he is just good at soaking up damage that the enemy does not have to use on him unless he builds more damage, and he is squishy if he builds damage (except for a short time after his W is activated) and he has low range. He kinda needs the high base damage in my opinion, especially since his aa is very low range and he can be easily kited.

[Lios]

Meh, he has nothing else for damage without items and he has like no cc, he is just good at soaking up damage that the enemy does not have to use on him unless he builds more damage, and he is squishy if he builds damage (except for a short time after his W is activated) and he has low range. He kinda needs the high base damage in my opinion, especially since his aa is very low range and he can be easily kited.

 

Please at least try to learn how the hero entire skill set work other than look at other people use one or 2 skill, and read other people's thread carefully :)

[residente]

Working as intended.

[Moo]

 

 

Please at least try to learn how the hero entire skill set work other than look at other people use one or 2 skill, and read other people's thread carefully :)

I have played starscream and I understand his kit, why are you assuming I am uninformed? I do play this game and I know what most heroes roles are, and I know what the effects of pretty much every skill in the game are. I don't know what you think I am missing, but the only things I haven't mentioned are his flight form and ulti, so I will talk about those too. The rockets in flight form are very tough to hit, and the speed boost will not help with kite ability because there is still time that has to be taken for landing out of flight form. He can no longer solo Levi early on because of the nerf to flight mode that makes the cooldown start when he lands. His ulti has a low radius, so I still don't see where I stated something incorrectly. The only cc the hero has is the very minor slow from rockets, and ulti since nitrogen is a popular item on him in my experience. Attempting to discredit my statement by saying that I don't know what I am talking is low, and besides that the insuation is incorrect in the first place.

[Lios]

I'm talking about melee fighgting against those rockets in early games, you can try to get one melee and play against my SS, I'll make your laning phase a living hell. You ignore my post or just don't understand it, how the flob can a melee kite SS early game ?

 

"Can't handle the heat as melee" is what I said. Are you done talking about he get kited, this clearly show you don't understand my post. A slow is a CC, shut up, there's CC, once you get hit by his rocket you can't get out of his Q, and I said that in case with ANOTHER CC HELP he can catch up to ranged.

 

His ult have small radius ? His drone follow the target like 10 unit radius until they give up, plus none of SS player turn their ult on and stand far away, if they smart they would use their Q as melee form with ult on.

 

"Meh, he has nothing else for damage" - Nice job "Mr.Know Every Skill", with your Q focus on a squishy you can easily turn your ult to hit that target since it's lowest % of hp, plus his ult can deal damage sir, by that I assume you don't know shap about this hero.

 

User was warned for this post.

 

From Ginosaji: You've developed a needlessly uncivil and inflamatory tone in your posts in the recent past. There's no need for this to devolve into insults.

Edited December 4, 2013 by ginosaji

[Moo]

I'm talking about melee fighgting against those rockets in early games, you can try to get one melee and play against my SS, I'll make your laning phase a living hell. You ignore my post or just don't understand it, how the flob can a melee kite SS early game ?

 

"Can't handle the heat as melee" is what I said. Are you done talking about he get kited, this clearly show you don't understand my post. A slow is a CC, shut up, there's CC, once you get hit by his rocket you can't get out of his Q, and I said that in case with ANOTHER CC HELP he can catch up to ranged.

 

His ult have small radius ? His drone follow the target like 10 unit radius until they give up, plus none of SS player turn their ult on and stand far away, if they smart they would use their Q as melee form with ult on.

 

"Meh, he has nothing else for damage" - Nice job "Mr.Know Every Skill", with your Q focus on a squishy you can easily turn your ult to hit that target since it's lowest % of hp, plus his ult can deal damage sir, by that I assume you don't know shap about this hero.

I know you were talking about melee heroes vs him. I was saying he needed the base damage because if it was low he wouldn't be able to do much to ranged heroes, so if you nerf him to compensate for him being able to shred melee, he will be too weak vs ranged heroes and it would make him underpowered. My point is that he has little besides his rockets base damage, or even another hero cc'ing the enemy wont help since the damage would be low unless you built int, because he has almost no cc (which is what I said earlier, and a small slow on short range rockets is not enough for a hero that has no reliable long range damage), short range, and is very easily kited. A ten-unit radius is not that large for a skill whose damage is very random and unreliable. How are you going to get close to a target to use your Q and make your unreliable ulti actually hit the enemy? Using the speed boost in flying could get you close while in the air, but you have to land from there before you can use Q to make ulti hit them and to gain the slow, and the hero can just walk away while you land. Although his ulti's possible damage is high, the majority of its damage will not hit the intended target without you being able to get within range for Q (which is very difficult), or having a teammate cc them, and the majority of heroes in this game can easily kill an enemy with a teammate who cc'd them, so it doesn't make SS OP or even better at that specific thing. Don't insult people, especially if you aren't even sure if your insult is correct. It is rude, doesn't advance your argument, and it spreads bad blood. I wouldn't be offended if you simply spoke politely about why you disagree with me, but instead you insult me, and don't even share why you disagree. Then in your next post you insult me further by saying the same thing, using sarcasm and a superior tone, and stating that I did not read your post/ ignored it, whereas you were the one who incorrectly interpreted my post by thinking that I was saying melee could kite starscream. Edited December 3, 2013 by Moo

[Jaysi]

I'm talking about melee fighgting against those rockets in early games, you can try to get one melee and play against my SS, I'll make your laning phase a living hell. You ignore my post or just don't understand it, how the flob can a melee kite SS early game ?

 

Melee heroes have bad/difficult laning phases if they don't have ranged spells, which is why a lot of them are jungles.

 

"Can't handle the heat as melee" is what I said. Are you done talking about he get kited, this clearly show you don't understand my post. A slow is a CC, shut up, there's CC, once you get hit by his rocket you can't get out of his Q, and I said that in case with ANOTHER CC HELP he can catch up to ranged.

 

His ult have small radius ? His drone follow the target like 10 unit radius until they give up, plus none of SS player turn their ult on and stand far away, if they smart they would use their Q as melee form with ult on.

 

"Meh, he has nothing else for damage" - Nice job "Mr.Know Every Skill", with your Q focus on a squishy you can easily turn your ult to hit that target since it's lowest % of hp, plus his ult can deal damage sir, by that I assume you don't know shap about this hero.

 

Squishy heroes shouldn't be in his range anyways. They should stay towards the back or have better timing of when to enter the fight.

 

I don't think his Q is too bad. I wouldn't mind doing some calculations on its damage output to a single target though. Might have to increase CD on it.

 

A frustrating feature is his ultimate drones don't instantly die when he does, so he will occasionally still kill enemies after his death...

Edited December 3, 2013 by Jaysi

[hbogyt]

That's why, amongst other reasons, melee carries are shap in inhouse or so I heard.

[ginosaji]

The only melee AAs that lane well are Tassadar and Shadow. Shadow only lanes well with Rory.

 

Other melees are mostly tanks/support/off tanks and have a weak laning phase on their own to begin with. They need to have a lane partner to be able to lane properly. Such is the case with any melee hero. If you're outranged, you're going to get out played.

 

Starscream is fine.

[Spooky]

There are few more melee AA heroes which can lane quite well: Penthos, Boros and Balrog. But still I don't understand the purpose of this thread? What are u trying to say? That SS is too strong in laning faze?

[TaxHaven]

SS is too strong during lining vs melee heroes.

 

Is what he's trying to say I think

[hbogyt]

SS is too strong during lining vs melee heroes.

 

Is what he's trying to say I think

 

But I don't think it is anymore, with the new siege creeps.

[Lios]

 

 

But I don't think it is anymore, with the new siege creeps.

 

There's 4 wave melee are not allowed to touch cs unless they trade half of their health bar for it. SS can just heal with his passive. GG ma early game.

 

P.S : My apologize to Moo, idk why I hate you so much whenever I see ur post, maybe just having a bad day.

Edited December 4, 2013 by Lios

[John]

There's 4 wave melee are not allowed to touch cs unless they trade half of their health bar for it. SS can just heal with his passive. GG ma early game.

 

P.S : My apologize to Moo, idk why I hate you so much whenever I see ur post, maybe just having a bad day.

Switch lane, as melee you're an idiot if you lane vs heroes like grunty, SS etc. In fact, unless you play against a clown, ur fked against basically every ranged hero, fortunately for you, there's lot's of clowns around.

Edited December 5, 2013 by John

[Mus]

I heard John recently graduated from clown school.

 

Tell me bro, how many times have you lost your lane to zera?

[Moo]

 

 

There's 4 wave melee are not allowed to touch cs unless they trade half of their health bar for it. SS can just heal with his passive. GG ma early game.

 

P.S : My apologize to Moo, idk why I hate you so much whenever I see ur post, maybe just having a bad day.

Melee heroes can jungle and they have advantages that make up for their weak laning, and it isn't just starscream that destroys them in lane, most ranged heroes can.

 

Thanks for the apology, everyone has their bad days. :)

[TaxHaven]

I heard John recently graduated from clown school.

 

Tell me bro, how many times have you lost your lane to zera?

 

I've won mid as zera vs kerri... op pubs

[Moo]

 

 

I've won mid as zera vs kerri... op pubs

Lol, even I could win vs a zera in lane as kerrigan, she even gets kill potential on him even without scanners, since she has her ulti, Q, and DoT E that procs on ulti.

[John]

I heard John recently graduated from clown school.

 

Tell me bro, how many times have you lost your lane to zera?

Just about every time you've been playing zera on my team.