Rogue Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Just wondering, is lockbox boros still good even after they nerfed the range on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginosaji Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Not as good, but still ok if your team is desperate for initiation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overkill Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 I use Impact Dial more on Boros now, takes some practice but once u get used to it, it's easier to get a hit on bola. It also serves as an escape mechanism to distance yourself from the enemy hero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwolla Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 lockbox and dial is for pussies Kbizzle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomheartman Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 lockbox and dial is for pussies Add shinoby and stunknife to the list) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted November 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 lockbox and dial is for pussies rofl, go away and learn wat the bola does. Shinobi is just lame though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EterNity Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 LB boros is still banned in In House and that should speak for itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeeeend Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 We still somehow allow lb micro. Just as clear indicator of lack of skill or exploitative nature of someone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginosaji Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 We still somehow allow lb micro. Just as clear indicator of lack of skill or exploitative nature of someone LB Micro isn't nearly as good as dial micro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooky Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 Instead getting LB on Boros ask teammate to buy it and help u initiate. This way u may focus more on damage and/or sustainability. This kind of teamplay isn't banned in inhouses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeeeend Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 It should be imo, just as terrible as dialing your team micro. Its basicly the same thing but with a proxy for the item Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginosaji Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 It should be imo, just as terrible as dialing your team micro. Its basicly the same thing but with a proxy for the item Really? Coordinating LB/Dial timings with your team should be banned? That's a new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysi Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 Really? Coordinating LB/Dial timings with your team should be banned? That's a new one. If there was competent teams that did it, I could see it trying to be banned. I just don't believe anyone has done it effectively or a lot yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuZ Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 I never seem this spooky and we never did, at least you didn't with me, Gino is right it's not right use it since it's ban cuz is the same when you lockbox someone for bola or dial micro for initiate I think you can dial micro to help him escape.. I'm just confuse now.. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaldi Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 It should be imo, just as terrible as dialing your team micro. Its basicly the same thing but with a proxy for the item Thia is why autoint these items on heroes are inherently retarded... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooky Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 When I can agree that dialing Micro in offensive way never happened in inhouse, then there were many situations when Boros used Bola after teammate initiate with Lockbox against someone. Lets say u have Rory/Summers and Boros in team. So when Rory/Summers use Lockbox to utilize one of his abilities (very common thing on Rory/Summers), Boros shouldn't be allowed to use Bola? It would be ridiculous in that case, don't u think? What if Boros was actually trying Bola Rory/Summers back to safety and he missed and accidentally Bola'ed lockboxed enemy? And what next? U supposed to let him escape because u missed? Same may happened with Micro and Impact Dial. What if someone was trying save Micro but Micro just turned back so he pushed him towards enemies? Another situation which may be considered as a not allowed behavior. So in my opinion we can ban specific items on specific heroes in inhouses to overcome unbalance in game or make sth harder to abuse, but we can't ban teamplay. Mainly because its very hard to cross solid lane which can show a difference what is right and what is not. And problem with dial Micro should be resolved in completely different way. Not by players but by devs. It was suggested long time ago that either hero with such a long toss range shouldn't have build in blink ability, or his toss range should got huge nerf. Still no changes here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysi Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 So in my opinion we can ban specific items on specific heroes in inhouses to overcome unbalance in game or make sth harder to abuse, but we can't ban teamplay. Mainly because its very hard to cross solid lane which can show a difference what is right and what is not. And problem with dial Micro should be resolved in completely different way. Not by players but by devs. It was suggested long time ago that either hero with such a long toss range shouldn't have build in blink ability, or his toss range should got huge nerf. Still no changes here... I was thinking the same/similar thing. The only way to overcome our community stipulation on these heroes/items without changing the items is to nerf pluck and throw ranges. The only bad thing is these items become almost required for the heroes pulls to have a significant effect. How many other mobas have pulls/throws as far as the ones in AoS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lios Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 I was thinking the same/similar thing. The only way to overcome our community stipulation on these heroes/items without changing the items is to nerf pluck and throw ranges. The only bad thing is these items become almost required for the heroes pulls to have a significant effect. How many other mobas have pulls/throws as far as the ones in AoS? Dota ? Pudge hook across da map with wisp... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moo Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 Dota ? Pudge hook across da map with wisp... That isn't just one ability, so it doesn't count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lios Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 (edited) That isn't just one ability, so it doesn't count. "How many other mobas have pulls/throws as far as the ones in AoS?" - Jaysi - That 1k6 range hook isn't as far as AoS ? Go play more dota before coming up here and say it doesn't count. It's way farther compare to Boros and Drake, if they're going to use impact for more range then there's no reason why pudge can't use wisp help. Edited December 3, 2013 by Lios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeeeend Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 (edited) Lets say u have Rory/Summers and Boros in team. So when Rory/Summers use Lockbox to utilize one of his abilities (very common thing on Rory/Summers), Boros shouldn't be allowed to use Bola? I wouldn't mind this at all, but getting the lb purely to use it as proxy(same goes for dial) is just as unbalanced as getting it on the boros or micro. Really? Coordinating LB/Dial timings with your team should be banned? That's a new one. "timing" What timing ?! Guz: use lockbox! *Zeeeend used lockbox* *Guz looks at animation gets of the bola* I just need to use lockbox whenever guz says he's off cd, pick a hero wandering 10 range from boros to click with my lockbox, and guz needs to scan the map looking for the o so hard to see animation and press w in the direction . Real amount of skill there. Edited December 3, 2013 by zeeeend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moo Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 "How many other mobas have pulls/throws as far as the ones in AoS?" - Jaysi - That 1k6 range hook isn't as far as AoS ? Go play more dota before coming up here and say it doesn't count. It's way farther compare to Boros and Drake, if they're going to use impact for more range then there's no reason why pudge can't use wisp help. Impact dial isn't a whole other hero, not is it an ability. The wisp+pudge is more than one ability, and one of the abilities is not a pull. Therefore, it is not a longer pull than one in AoS, it is a pull combined with a teleport, not a long range pull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lios Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 (edited) Impact dial isn't a whole other hero, not is it an ability. The wisp+pudge is more than one ability, and one of the abilities is not a pull. Therefore, it is not a longer pull than one in AoS, it is a pull combined with a teleport, not a long range pull. So, I said pudge hook got longer range than boros and drake, show me where im wrong, hope your knowledge is good enough to know that 1600 > 1100. Edited December 4, 2013 by Lios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moo Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 So, I said pudge hook got longer range than boros and drake, show me where im wrong, hope your knowledge is good enough to know that 1600 > 1100. I thought you were still counting wisp's teleport, as the units in aeon of storms are measured differently (boros' bola is 11 unit range at max rank based on the tooltip, if my memory serves me right). So you counting the units in hundreds confused me, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaldi Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 So, I said pudge hook got longer range than boros and drake, show me where im wrong, hope your knowledge is good enough to know that 1600 > 1100. They are two different games. You have no way of knowing if 11 units in aos is 1100 or 110000000000 in dota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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