Build for Every Hero

[Moo]

This topic is to get a good build for each hero all in one place. I will post the builds that I have have brainstormed (they won't always be good, there are quite a few heroes I don't know how to build), and I hope to get feedback to make them better.

 

Toxi Build: Machette, Goggles, Stun Knife, Pulse Hammer, Chilling or Sliptide, Chilling or Sliptide, Timesplitter, Force of Entropy, Galactic Defender, dst, lifetech, organic, pyre earlier, situational item. Talents: WS, WD, HP, SR, Armor, MS.

 

Lord Zyrkhan: Goggles, Buckler, Pulse Hammer, Emerald Lotus x2, Spell Buffer if spell resist is needed or khorhal if not, (DST, Sliptide, or FoE), Galactic if no spell buffer, CoA. Talents: WS, WD, HP, SR, Armor, MS.

 

Balrog: Goggles, Buckler, Pulse Hammer, Atom Smasher, FoE, Organic, DST. WS, WD, HP, Armor or SR, MS, Energy.

 

Kitty: Lost Treasure, Machette, Stun Knife, TPI, Parallax, Lightning Rod, Atom Smasher, Gravity Edge, Organic, Yamato, Cerebro, Timesplitter. Talents: WS, WD, Veteran, HP, MS, CDR.

 

Erekul: Lost Treasure, Goggles, Buckler, Ihan, Khorhal, Kassia Crystal, Parallax (if they have very detrimental cc), Nitrogen Retrofit, DST, Lifetech if you need more SR, Chilling if more armor. Talents: WD, HP, armor, SR, Energy, CDR, Wealth.

 

Nully D: Lost Treasure, Lightning Rod, TPI, Nitrogen Retrofit, Gravity Edge, Star's Fury, Cerebro. Talents: WS, WD, HP, CDR, Youth, Wealth.

 

Penthos: Machette, Stun Knife, Buckler, SHM, Atom Smasher, Sliptide, FoE, Timesplitter, DST. Talents: WS, WD, HP, Armor, SR, MS.

 

Ling: Lost Treasure, BHM, Energy Saber, Galactic Defender, Parallax. Situational: Emantle, DST, Eternity. Talents: WD, WS, HP, MS, Energy, Wealth.

 

Jakk Summers: Machette, Lockbox and Lightning Rod, Star's Fury, TPI, Cerebro, Gravity Edge, Yamato Reactor, Electric Mantle. Pyre Build: Machette, Lockbox and Lightning Rod, Pyre, TPI, Cerebro, Gravity Edge, Yamato Reactor, Electric Mantle. Talents: WS, WD, HP, MS, CDR, Wealth.

 

Queen: Lost Treasure, Goggles, Ihan, Silver Soul, TPI, Nitrogen, Khorhal, DST, Yamato. Talents: HP, MS, CDR, Wealth, Armor, SR.

 

Boros: Lost Treasure, Culling Saber, Goggles, Phase Cloak, Khali, Pulse Hammer, Shinobi, Arcbound, FoE, DST. Int Build: Lost Treasure, Goggles, Lockbox, Ihan, Phase Cloak, Gravity Edge, Nitrogen, Energy Saber. Talents: WD, HP, Armor, MS, Energy, Wealth.

 

Shadow: Machette, Stun Knife, Phase Cloak, Pulse Hammer, Timesplitter, Shinobi, Galactic Defender, Phantom Menace, Force of Entropy. Talents: WD, WS, HP, SR, MS, Energy.

 

Please keep criticism constructive (saying "trash pub build" isn't constructive).

[ANARCHY]

you should really put each hero into a different spoiler, cant read it well like this

[Moo]

you should really put each hero into a different spoiler, cant read it well like this

How do you do this? I can't edit, but I could put it into another post if that would help.

[ANARCHY]

How do you do this? I can't edit, but I could put it into another post if that would help.

 

lol i would expect you with ur 876 posts to know i guess i will share my measly noob post count knowledge

 

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Edited November 27, 2013 by ANARCHY

[iatebambi]

How do you do this? I can't edit, but I could put it into another post if that would help.

If you can't edit it then that is going to be a pain haha. How do you plan to update it with tips/suggestions from others?

[atomheartman]

I don't understand Pulse Hammer on almost every hero.

 

I think SHM is better for Lord than PulseHammer at the start.

 

I don't understand Shady's build with Menace and FoE but without Khali

 

Penthos - atomsmasher is a great item but with FoE, Nitrogen and his Q you will have infinite slow.

 

Boros - int build falls to damage build. With your dmg build you have no AS and no dmg way too long. Yes, these starting items are great but i noticed that you can not afford em all on dps hero because you will deal no damage. It would be better to go machette, Lethal, cloack and Khali.

 

Also it would be great to put few words about Parallax - you pick it on Ling and not pick on Penthos. Write when we should buy it and when not.

[iatebambi]

It would almost be worth also doing a mini guide based on items, where you go through each item rather than each hero and explain the pros and cons of each item, when they should be purchased, and on which heroes they can be purchased on.

 

This way people could then cross reference between the two lists and learn more about the reasons behind item choices, which would hopefully educate them enough so that they can make their own decision in future based on the game situations.

[Spooky]

I think this kind of topic is completely pointless. Why would u like to have builds for every hero in one place, when actually every hero requires some specific guide? Lets get Toxi for example. It is one of the most versatile heroes in AoS. I've played this hero a lot in inhouses and almost every game I have different build order - depends what enemy has, what role I'm trying to fulfill and if I'm ahead or not. Its impossible to type down a good build for him. So I don't really get it what is the purpose if this thread? What are u trying to achieve? Give a not bad build with which u can get many kills in pubs? Then every player may have their own vision about that. U want give viable builds for inhoues? Then u have to take a look at every hero separately and consider entire composition he is playing with.

[GuZ]

Yeah Spooky you must write a pub build toxi like john did with shadow...!! Writing with much inspiration!! LOL

[atomheartman]

Yeah Spooky you must write a pub build toxi like john did with shadow...!! Writing with much inspiration!! LOL

Yeah, this is da best guide evar!

 

Spooky, your yesterdays fortified Toxi looked impressive)

[Spooky]

Yeah, this is da best guide evar!

 

Spooky, your yesterdays fortified Toxi looked impressive)

nah, I was ahead because it was 4v5. Then every tanky hero or hero with Fortify becomes broken because of that leaver mineral bonus.

[residente]

This thread is useless, build for every hero must contain Impact Dial jeez

[ANARCHY]

just update the hero database and post a link to a build for that hero in its corresponding thread...

[Gwolla]

U have too much stun knife in ur builds imo.

 

Toxi: machete -> foe -> pyre -> whats needed

Penthos: machete -> SHM -> DST -> DPS stuff

Boros: lost treasure -> machete -> shinobi -> khali -> whats needed

[NeVeRWiN]

Spooky already hit what I wanted to say basically but adding to his key points, many hero's have so many different styles of play, just throwing a build out is useless without providing the answers to questions such as why these items, how to use these items with this hero, when to enter battle, as well as various other builds for each hero and the list could continue. I applaud what your trying to do, and I do get it but this is so linear it's basically useless. Hero's in AoS are not linear and this guide is making them as such, which has been proven by people already disagreeing with your builds and pointing out the flaws.

Edited November 27, 2013 by NeVeRWiN

[Mus]

I think this kind of topic is completely pointless. Why would u like to have builds for every hero in one place, when actually every hero requires some specific guide? Lets get Toxi for example. It is one of the most versatile heroes in AoS. I've played this hero a lot in inhouses and almost every game I have different build order - depends what enemy has, what role I'm trying to fulfill and if I'm ahead or not. Its impossible to type down a good build for him. So I don't really get it what is the purpose if this thread? What are u trying to achieve? Give a not bad build with which u can get many kills in pubs? Then every player may have their own vision about that. U want give viable builds for inhoues? Then u have to take a look at every hero separately and consider entire composition he is playing with.

 

Moo I'm going to translate this post into 'Murican for you:

 

Trash pub builds.

Edited November 28, 2013 by Mus

[Moo]

This topic was actually mainly for me. As I said, there are many heroes that I have very little knowledge of how to build, and I thought that making a topic to get basic builds for heroes could help some other people who aren't as experienced, along with helping me. The reason I am just putting down builds is that it would take tons of time and room to put individual guides for heroes into a single thread, and I can figure out my own playstyles for heroes when playing them, or I can ask someone on my team if I am playing an IH and need to play a certain role for my team, so I don't need an entire guide most of the time. @iatebambi I am going to get the builds down for all the heroes I have posted, then make a new post to show the improved builds, unless I can figure out how to fix the edit bug. I might try to post a topic that talks about items, I will probably have enough time to do so over break. @atomheartman The reason I have pulse hammer in a lot of them is that I like having more hp early on with aa heroes. I agree with you on the lord z part, thanks for pointing that out. I do have FoE included in my penthos build, and I didn't include nitrogen because the minerals and item slot can be better used, since the slow won't increase too much and you don't need more slowing when you already have FoE and atom smasher. I completely forgot about parallax with penthos, which is a core item IMO, thanks for pointing that out. Int builds on boros are also viable, and I like them both, so I posted both. The reason I start with those 3 items on weapon damage boros is that he can still get kills with his ulti, he makes great use of all 3 items, and it gives huge income combined with regular farm. Getting damage earlier can let you snowball, but the gp10's give guaranteed income, so I feel it is personal preference. I did include attack speed in my dps build, arcbound and the agility from shinobi give decent attack speed, but I should include timesplitter, since it gives attack speed, the amazing active, and the evasion covers boros' weakness to physical damage somewhat. @neverwin I know there are flaws in my builds, and I am glad that people are pointing them out, since I am trying to fix them.

[heimdallr]

constructive criticism: QUEEN: delay the tpi but get nitro earlier...basically you want (with the other gear) to make your banes fast AND once the first one hits nitro will make the resto of them land(due to slowing enemy). So you get decently close( a bit closer than the max baneling cast range hopefully without enemies noticing), you cast banes with silver, move closer to enemy while banes roll, cast ultra over the enemy them hopefully on the oposite side to make running even harder, you micro ultra to aa enemy, and as enemy gets out of the stunn he has to walk around ultra and if 1 baneling hits they all hit and ultra gets more free hits. (the getting close after baneling cast is to get in range for a better casting on ultra since enemies will run away and the cast range is a bit shorter than what you`d want to put it behind the enemy hero)

 

Tpi is cool, but not at the expense of delaying nitro since more burst damage wont be that good if all those + damage banelings don`t hit. Nitro makes em hit, gives good intel for good damage and energy, AND the extra life is good too midgame combined with ihan giving you the tankyness(for an intel hero at least) that will save you on many ocasions (plus the ihan active to heal = indefinite lane sustain).

 

My 2 cents.

 

Oh by the way those 2 cents are talking solo lane. If you are with a team getting early ganks you may wanna get nitro even earlier than ihan so the slow of the banes combined with some stun of your partners helps all banes land or the slow helps a carry get kills that would have escaped early (particularly earlier than they can get any sort of tankyness gear or speed gear most of the time)

Edited November 28, 2013 by heimdallr

[Moo]

Sounds good, I don't have much experience with queen, I wasn't sure if TPI increased the speed you summon banes or not.

[Rogue]

I don't understand Pulse Hammer on almost every hero.

 

I think SHM is better for Lord than PulseHammer at the start.

 

I don't understand Shady's build with Menace and FoE but without Khali

 

Penthos - atomsmasher is a great item but with FoE, Nitrogen and his Q you will have infinite slow.

 

Boros - int build falls to damage build. With your dmg build you have no AS and no dmg way too long. Yes, these starting items are great but i noticed that you can not afford em all on dps hero because you will deal no damage. It would be better to go machette, Lethal, cloack and Khali.

 

Also it would be great to put few words about Parallax - you pick it on Ling and not pick on Penthos. Write when we should buy it and when not.

 

In boros vs boros yes damage may be slightly better, however I believe that in the majority of cases a hybrid between int and aa/crit is the best. I recommend starting with culling saber, machete and hatchet for farm and early game sustain. Then I tend to go for dial, LB, ihan(testing ihan atm), arcbound, khali, nitro, grav edge etc. Ofc there are many ways of playing boros, but this is my favoured playstyle over 2 years of playing him :D.

 

 

Just a question, which item is better on boros (normally): Khali or time splitter?

Edited November 28, 2013 by Rogue

[atomheartman]

I recommend starting with culling saber, machete and hatchet for farm and early game sustain. Then I tend to go for dial, LB, ihan(testing ihan atm), arcbound, khali, nitro, grav edge etc. Ofc there are many ways of playing boros, but this is my favoured playstyle over 2 years of playing him :D.

And when you will be able to do some damage?

With that build you have no AS, no wepdmg way too long. Initiation without dmg on dps?? If you want to initiate - pick micro or drale and still deal damage. Dps heroes for dps, initiators for initiate.

 

Just a question, which item is better on boros (normally): Khali or time splitter?

The question is incorrect.

on what parameters to compare?

Khali grants more DMG and great uniques

TS grants AS and stun*3.

Compare Khali with GD and TS with ravager.

 

Anyway there are better items than TS on boros. Arcbound gives crits, AS and MS. Khali gives grits and DMG

TS gives stuns which is not needed. So Khali and Arcbound is better for sure.

 

P.S.Waiting Dr.Geneva dps monster build from you.

Edited November 29, 2013 by atomheartman

[Moo]

 

And when you will be able to do some damage?

With that build you have no AS, no wepdmg way too long. Initiation without dmg on dps?? If you want to initiate - pick micro or drale and still deal damage. Dps heroes for dps, initiators for initiate.

 

 

The question is incorrect.

on what parameters to compare?

Khali grants more DMG and great uniques

TS grants AS and stun*3.

Compare Khali with GD and TS with ravager.

 

Anyway there are better items than TS on boros. Arcbound gives crits, AS and MS. Khali gives grits and DMG

TS gives stuns which is not needed. So Khali and Arcbound is better for sure.

 

P.S.Waiting Dr.Geneva dps monster build from you.

Boros does not need to rush damage in his builds, his ulti and bola have huge base damage and can one-shot most heroes by themselves without damage. Because of this, he can build utility items that let you initiate and gain tankiness instead of damage items. Also, boros will not be attacking people for long periods of time unless his teammates have a long stunlock, he shouldn't focus on attack speed besides arcbound or timesplitter. Also, boros is not a dps, he is an initiator/burster. Boros has no way to keep enemies close to him so that he can attack them. He does not have range, has low movespeed, has no stuns, no slow, and he has no stepping strikes, he is not a dps. Lockbox, impact dial, and ihan give a good amount of intelligence, which makes your bola and spellstorm deal huge damage. Boros does not have to build weapon damage or attack speed to deal damage, intelligence boros has less burst, but it does not rely on his ulti cooldown to deal damage. The only other way you are going to deal damage with weapon damage boros is if the enemies are chasing for one of your teammates, or they are just stupid.

[atomheartman]

Boros does not need to rush damage in his builds, his ulti and bola have huge base damage and can one-shot most heroes by themselves without damage. Because of this, he can build utility items that let you initiate and gain tankiness instead of damage items. Also, boros will not be attacking people for long periods of time unless his teammates have a long stunlock, he shouldn't focus on attack speed besides arcbound or timesplitter. Also, boros is not a dps, he is an initiator/burster. Boros has no way to keep enemies close to him so that he can attack them. He does not have range, has low movespeed, has no stuns, no slow, and he has no stepping strikes, he is not a dps. Lockbox, impact dial, and ihan give a good amount of intelligence, which makes your bola and spellstorm deal huge damage. Boros does not have to build weapon damage or attack speed to deal damage, intelligence boros has less burst, but it does not rely on his ulti cooldown to deal damage. The only other way you are going to deal damage with weapon damage boros is if the enemies are chasing for one of your teammates, or they are just stupid.

 

 

Really? So i was totally useless nab playing him with shinoby, arcbound, Khali and other cool non-INT stuff dealing tons of dmg for multiple triple-kills?

No, really? My raynor saw int-Boros - he tried to ulti me and failed coz he had 0 damage output. Boros. Died. to Raynor. in 1vs1 without Raynor's skills. what will do Boros if his skills are on CD? Run like Forest?

 

INT boros just cuts away 2 of his skills while DMG boros performs with all his abilities perfectly.

Edited November 29, 2013 by atomheartman

[Moo]

 

 

 

Really? So i was totally useless nab playing him with shinoby, arcbound, Khali and other cool non-INT stuff dealing tons of dmg for multiple triple-kills?

No, really? My raynor saw int-Boros - he tried to ulti me and failed coz he had 0 damage output. Boros. Died. to Raynor. in 1vs1 without Raynor's skills. what will do Boros if his skills are on CD? Run like Forest?

 

INT boros just cuts away 2 of his skills while DMG boros performs with all his abilities perfectly.

If boros dies to raynor 1v1 without any skills from raynor that boros either sucks, or the circumstances were very specific. Int boros can easily kill a raynor with just bola+spellstorm, and spellstorm completely counters raynor, unless the raynor is aa raynor, and aa raynor is squishy enough to get one-shot by bola from int boros. Int boros still makes great use of all his abilities, since the ulti base damage is still huge and the free crit procs on his ulti and auto-attacks used to proc boros' passive. I would love to see the replay of you killing boros 1v1 as raynor without skills. The only way anyone could do that is if the boros sucked, the raynor was an amazing player compared to the boros, the raynor was very fed and the boros was underfed, or another set of special circumstances that would make the fight an illegitimate measure of how good the int boros build is.

[atomheartman]

His SS and Bola without int has great utility - spellresist and pooling

His E and R without weapon damage has no utility.

I think thats all what can be said about Dmg boros and Int boros.