Spellstorm - Come on...

[barwick]

Spellstorm is absolutely absurd, let's be real here. An ability that, for a rather long period of time, gives you 100% spell resistance, AND immunity to debuffs? On a character that can AA someone to death near instantly? You can't even cc him to try to get away as a caster, you're just instantly dead. One ability, dead. Hell, you can't even LB him to get him off of you for a second. And try to run? No, he'll just bola you back and kill you some more.

[pchacker]

Hmm, I think this has been discussed quite a bit in the past, and as a result it got nerfed from 6 to 5 seconds. Its a strong skill definitely, but since boros is a melee hero he needs some sort of extra steroids and/or gap closer otherwise there is no reason to choose a melee aa over a ranged.

 

My 2 cents.

[ANARCHY]

i don't see the difference as to how you wouldn't die from any other carry due to bad positioning as a caster;

darpa, nova, shadow, zera, grunty will all basically insta kill an int caster if they are out of position & most have some sort of gap closing ability that allows them to "dodge" attacks or spell dmg

 

we all know that the best solution to this is better positioning

2nd to that get some utility items;

impact dial, warp shard, lockbox, taser, smoke bomb, cloak, sword breaker

 

i barely ever see anyone get smoke bombs which is the best way to counter wep dmg boros, he ults and hits absolutely nothing

then he goes and buys scans like an idiot and trys to scan while ulting derp...

when he realises he needs TS he kills you once and then gets displaced due to ulti and raped by your team and proceeds to never buy ts until he has all of his items

Edited November 21, 2013 by ANARCHY

[SayMyName]

Am I dreaming? People saying true reasons and solutions.

It looks like people are learning :D

If You would add Anarchy to positioning also sentence like "play as team" I would not believe.

Gj :)

 

 

As for boros, he needs spellstorm as said. He is meele carry with no mobility skillset. His concept is being 1v1 dominant.

His role as for pick is (and his main concept):

a) anticaster

b) initiator (second role)

3rd ofc is

c) carry potential/dmg output

 

His weaknesses are:

- Vulnerable to aa dmg

- Squishy (esp without spellstorm)

- no mobility in skillset

- meele

- randomness (which with experience You can use properly or against)

 

Boros is fine. He is very fun hero to play, well designed. Bola is key skill for his skillset that in other mobas those kind of heroes (with omni on ultimate) lacks and make them like "one trick pony" makes hero more interesting and also scale, fit into his role (punishing positioning, initation into omni etc)

 

 

So I assume that You are smart, have ability to see what somebody picked and that he is playing boros and You have ability to learn, accept some things and don't negate stuff. That You wanna deal with stuff not just argue and blame. So here You have:

 

To "counter boros" You need map control (wards for example? Have sight for boros ganking, where and when he try to bola)

And stop playing 1v1 and considering this game is 1v1 game. ITS NOT. Its 5v5 game

Play as team be near creeps. Gl for boros in "one shooting" anybody, unless he is RNG true god and completly fat (if he is, that means you just lost game already by huge amount of mistakes that You should look at first not blame other things and heroes). You basically need to not lose game. Losing mainly by playing 1v1 and considering this game is 1v1 designed, by feeding, not using timings, bad positioning, bad compositions, not grouping up, bad mechanics, not farming efficiently etc etc.

Straightly if Your team and You make mistakes and enemy makes less they will win the game in 95% of the time.

You will not win every game, no matter what- not accepting mistakes and things Your team makes bad .

 

As for items You can lockbox somebody that is focused in omni (it doesnt counter 100% but helps a lot), don't build glasscannons. Buy warpshard as a int hero later in game (midgame/lategame). Your tanks (suppose You have tank/2 tanks - You should have in comp) buy items like korhal and spellbuffer.

 

Hero needs spellstorm, otherwise hero would be severly underpowered. After those 5 secs and used omni he is squishy.

SS was op (much) when it made ridiciolous dmg (boros best mid hero times) but it was nerfed couple of times to good balanced value.

 

Gl and HF in further games

Edited November 21, 2013 by SayMyName

[MOTHER]

SS is fine.

 

It's his R that needs to be redesigned (not nerfed, just changed into something more creative that requires a little more skill than pushing a button).

[TaxHaven]

Yea but... how many skillshot ulti are there? Every ult just require R, sure you may need to set it up via your other skills (eg lance ulti drake, nuke snipe nuke rancor etc) but ultus are all ez ass one click or two click skills

[SayMyName]

R is a skillshot. It requires You isolating the targets. Achieving that in some way.

Otherwise its too random.

 

You need to have better map control and timing control (of creepwaves coming) than opponent. Not even counting playing team vs team and choosing proper fight ground.

 

 

Mostly the opponents needs to make huge mistakes, being out of position.

Or You need to be really good at bola.

Edited November 21, 2013 by SayMyName

[TaxHaven]

R is a skillshot. It requires You isolating the targets. Achieving that in some way.

Otherwise its too random.

 

You need to have better map control and timing control (of creepwaves coming) than opponent. Not even counting playing team vs team and choosing proper fight ground.

 

 

Mostly the opponents needs to make huge mistakes, being out of position.

Or You need to be really good at bola.

 

I said you need to set up ulti via other skills lol

[SayMyName]

I said you need to set up ulti via other skills lol

 

My answer came from this:

 

SS is fine.

 

It's his R that needs to be redesigned (not nerfed, just changed into something more creative that requires a little more skill than pushing a button).

 

Yea but... how many skillshot ulti are there? Every ult just require R, sure you may need to set it up via your other skills (eg lance ulti drake, nuke snipe nuke rancor etc) but ultus are all ez ass one click or two click skills

 

Yes You can click R and use ultimate but it doesnt mean it will result in truly good outcome and that its not skillshot (i define skillshot as skill that requires experience to be used to high/full potential).

 

To be more clear. Most of the ultimates (and skills) are skillshots.

For example (many of them misunderstood):

- Zera bubble is huge skillshot, one of biggest ones in game (catching important key heroes and as much enemy heroes as You can, with not catching Your allies , with proper fight ground and proper timings - having Your team, possiblity of winning a teamfight)

- Bio R is skillshot , being calm and patient, using ult at proper timing on proper hero (most of time when heroes lost their counter aoe, or when fight was initatied and asap "cutting 1 key enemy hero from teamfight" )

- Cyprus R is skillshot , using on key target, asap it can remove the hero from enemy pool of teamfight possibilies, now its even channeling. It also requires positioning when Cyp is squishy. Cyp in competitive was/is picked to be able to remove key target, make game go in Your favour 5v4 and You need experience to do that. So if You f.... up Your ulti is huge waste (then its basically 4v5 for Your team)

- etc etc

 

It is completly disaster for team with Boros, when boros use his R stupidly, slashing rndmly 4 creeps in teamfight, or faceplanting into whole enemy team and dying instantly. Removing huge amount of Boros dmgoutput, invested farm from team, or even entirely boros himself. It requires much experience for boros (unless already won game and very fat) to go commit to teamfight in proper timing and use Your ulti estimating properly how omni will propably go (killing key targets or making massive dmg to them, accordingly to what is happening, hp bars, distances between enemies)

 

Like for example, if very wrongly making assumptions by considering this game being 1v1 we take in magnifier(loupe) vergil ultimate:

- it is completly no brain to use it on 1 target, basically requires clicking R

- but it takes amount of skill and experience to cast it on whole enemy team with proper timing in teamfight

 

Most of skills and ultimates are skillshots. Cause they come from having and using Your experience - knowing hero possibilities, hero importance, roles, timings, positioning. What is happening and will happen. How people will react mostly, how game is reacting, it mechanics (for example good bola)

 

If using Your skills and having experience (using proper timings, positioning, knowing possibilities, estimating what will happen) have a huge factor on outcome of teamfight (if not lost game already, not outfarmed, outlvled hugely or also outdrafted) than moba is designed good. And here its the case. It is correct.

 

There are ofc less "skillshot" abilities still. For example Toxi ult (mainly timing of pressing ult and positiong of Your hero, but this comes for entire hero not only for his ultimate, cause he is non mobile- so is strongly more positioning dependent, no mechanic to fix mistake of being in bad position)

 

Raynor ult - like toxi, positioining of hero is his whole concept, but You can do this still in most cases safe from long range. Channeling of ult (simliar to cyprus). WIth enough mana You can spam even ulti to harass people (not that high cd, not that huge of a big deal). Still raynor is very skill depnded hero (cause of his extreme positioning dependence, squishy, non mobile + 2 channeling skills, thats why impact dial is soo good on raynor :) ) and highly skillshot silence.

Edited November 21, 2013 by SayMyName

[ginosaji]

Spellstorm is fine and entirely needed for Boros to be viable. I actually really like his Ult, it's unique in the way you have to worry about positioning for it. I think it's balanced as well, although I agree with what Highdrater has said on mumble before... That the base damage could use a nerf by another 25 or so to make it harder for him to one shot INT heroes who build HP and get the armor talent in early game.

 

People complain him for the same reason they complain about shadow, zera, ling, Leo, etc... He's good 1 on 1. If you engage 1v1 on a boros not around creep or with out tazer when you know his Ult could be up, it's your own fault. It's the same as any other burst damage in the game. Should we get rid of all burst damage? There are plenty of bursts that are just as easy or easier to use.

 

There have been so many times in pubs where I go to farm a wave as boros and the enemy hero runs away from the wave.... I'm like ok, Ult, SS, AA, dead... then they cry op and "click R to win."

[Hogwarts]

gino abusing broken heroes in pubs......

 

 

 

J/k

 

Boros is a counter to int heroes. Currently he counters them a little to well and Highdrater is trying to address that Boros will end up in a better spot just be patient

 

I for one think its ridiculous his bola does 300 dmg per second......... you can easily with impact dial get up to 1k dmg at lvl 7 when u put ur 4th point into bola. Alone

[ginosaji]

gino abusing broken heroes in pubs......

 

 

 

J/k

 

Boros is a counter to int heroes. Currently he counters them a little to well and Highdrater is trying to address that Boros will end up in a better spot just be patient

 

I for one think its ridiculous his bola does 300 dmg per second......... you can easily with impact dial get up to 1k dmg at lvl 7 when u put ur 4th point into bola. Alone

 

How else can I win a pub these days? Very few people go dial on Boros anymore.

[NmExCrUiSeRz]

I got replay of me going 1-13 impact dial on borros if you want it. Not soon after hit a benchmark of 3-9.

[taznkid]

i don't see the difference as to how you wouldn't die from any other carry due to bad positioning as a caster;

darpa, nova, shadow, zera, grunty will all basically insta kill an int caster if they are out of position & most have some sort of gap closing ability that allows them to "dodge" attacks or spell dmg

 

we all know that the best solution to this is better positioning

2nd to that get some utility items;

impact dial, warp shard, lockbox, taser, smoke bomb, cloak, sword breaker

 

i barely ever see anyone get smoke bombs which is the best way to counter wep dmg boros, he ults and hits absolutely nothing

then he goes and buys scans like an idiot and trys to scan while ulting derp...

when he realises he needs TS he kills you once and then gets displaced due to ulti and raped by your team and proceeds to never buy ts until he has all of his items

Does invisibility counter Omnislash? All this time I thought it didn't...I seem to recall using Vanish as Nova or the Cloak as Rancor and Omnislash still killed me....could have just been the Burning Blade passive or w/e its called though. I'm going to try this out....will save me a lot of pain dealing with Boros 1 on 1 (heck, even 2-3 isolated heroes can have trouble depending on composition, which is why I also agree that Omnislash base damage needs a slight nerf). Oh on original topic: I think Spellstorm is just fine, although that does not mean it does not annoy me when I'm trying to kill a Boros with spell burst damage and the guy pops Spellstorm (especially annoying when you use waste a flare gun like that).

Edited November 21, 2013 by taznkid

[ginosaji]

Does invisibility counter Omnislash? All this time I thought it didn't...I seem to recall using Vanish as Nova or the Cloak as Rancor and Omnislash still killed me....could have just been the Burning Blade passive or w/e its called though. I'm going to try this out....will save me a lot of pain dealing with Boros 1 on 1 (heck, even 2-3 isolated heroes can have trouble depending on composition, which is why I also agree that Omnislash base damage needs a slight nerf). Oh on original topic: I think Spellstorm is just fine, although that does not mean it does not annoy me when I'm trying to kill a Boros with spell burst damage and the guy pops Spellstorm (especially annoying when you use waste a flare gun like that).

 

You need to be targetable, so unless you get scanned or there's a TS, invisibility/burrow will make you untargetable by his Ult.

[lololol]

boros and his ss/omni is very strong. but typically its not overused in pubs because there are far more easier choices to get higher KD in pubs. I don't remember the last time I saw a boros carrying like zera/shadow/nova/darpa/grunty do almost every other game.

[GENLORDZ]

Thing I hate about Boros ulti is that critic hits will happen when you hit the enemy, although critic build for boros is fun:D

[Figgonson]

spell storm is fine. Lockbox yourself, not boros.