Bring back old LZ!!

[oXide]

old LZ was my favorite hero back in the day and since flash is gone I want a old LZ remake!! same skills damage and scaling may have to be altered but not sure on that. SO PLEASE BRING LZ BACK!! :D

[Adversary]

play penthos

[oXide]

Penthos isn't Lz I'm saying Lz with overdrive blink storm and immortal solace pretty sure fury is almost the same as before but penthos just isn't Lz

[Adversary]

penthos has overdrive and blink storm pretty much. they won't bring old LZ back, LZ right now is fine. If you really want to play old LZ I suggest you find a time machine.

[oXide]

Yeah Lz right now is pretty much tier 1 but remaking old Lz as a new hero is what I was intending to say looking at the post doesn't say that but that's what I get for writing It at 3 am

[atomheartman]

Old LordZ was a showmaker bringing entertainment to the game. Penthos and new LordZ is a 2 grey shadows of this hero - what is a point? To divide 1 hero to 2?

[GENLORDZ]

You know you can still have SoTIS map in the arcade, I have it and whenever my internet is down I just revisit old memories

[atomheartman]

Great, I should try it.

Sadly i guess Devs don't agree with us and wont bring it back((

[mynhauzen]

Loved old lz and I dont really understand how can one compare him to penthos. Its like comparing rory to a shadow.

[Doom]

You can vote for my hero suggestion. It is vastly different, but it does have Immortal Solace (albiet with primal roaches) and the original tanacious fury.

Edited November 20, 2013 by Doom

[SJInspireZ]

Or contact certain people who still have the old map lol :D

[RedHydra]

penthos has overdrive and blink storm pretty much. they won't bring old LZ back, LZ right now is fine. If you really want to play old LZ I suggest you find a time machine.

 

Penthos is essentially old LZ, the only significant difference is the damage output that LZ provided via Time items. On top of that, Penthos used to be autobanned because his Blinkstorm did too much damage. That's what the old LZ used to do.

[Adamantium]

Penthos is essentially old LZ, the only significant difference is the damage output that LZ provided via Time items. On top of that, Penthos used to be autobanned because his Blinkstorm did too much damage. That's what the old LZ used to do.

 

Penthos' main source of damage is his Q not his blinkstorm. His storms do like 60 damage over 3 seconds, which is just a joke. The only significant similarity between the two is the blinkstorm and the overdrive if penthos uses his ult. But they don't have similar playstyles.

[RedHydra]

Penthos' main source of damage is his Q not his blinkstorm. His storms do like 60 damage over 3 seconds, which is just a joke. The only significant similarity between the two is the blinkstorm and the overdrive if penthos uses his ult. But they don't have similar playstyles.

 

That's the case now, but what I am saying is that Penthos' Blinkstorm used to deal about the same amount as old LZ's blinkstorm. Old LZ's playstyle was Blinkstorm -> (Ult if necessary) -> Overdrive around the person(s), and that's what old Penthos basically used to do until the nerf, which was to get him out of the autoban list.

[Adamantium]

Well, that's because when Penthos came out, everyone thought he was like old LZ so they tried playing him like that. He was also autobanned because people didn't know how to play against him and they cried OP because he had 5 blinks - which he still has now. Yes, his storms were doing more damage than the tooltip said because they ticked 5 times instead of 3. Regardless of how he was, Penthos in his current state is vastly different from Old LZ.

[mynhauzen]

Well, that's because when Penthos came out, everyone thought he was like old LZ so they tried playing him like that. He was also autobanned because people didn't know how to play against him and they cried OP because he had 5 blinks - which he still has now. Yes, his storms were doing more damage than the tooltip said because they ticked 5 times instead of 3. Regardless of how he was, Penthos in his current state is vastly different from Old LZ.

I think I was talking to you in the last LZ topic where everyone basically said that he needs some changes due to being useless. Even tho he wasnt that good, he was still good.. Dont think that anyone expected devs to completely remove him.

 

Lz's playstyle WAS completely different. He was a int mobile caster with tankiness, while being melee. Imo vergil is a bit closer but he lacks initiation ulti and tankiness.. 4v LZ was OP both before TS buff, and right after. But what ruined him was too many buffs that made him not that good. Which is a shame. LZ is the only hero I keep seeing people want to bring back. No one cares about old zeratul etc.. Its old lz that so many people loved.

[Jaysi]

How many other heroes were that mobile, could trap a target in a damaging Ult, had a WS steroid, a damage resist(I believe old LZ still had this...), and were a tanky strength hero with Pulse Hammer melee stun bonus.

 

Did you enjoy playing as old LZ or against? Because I'm sure you didn't like to play against.

 

Lets face it, Old LZ was the whole bag of chips.

Edited November 20, 2013 by Jaysi

[Hogwarts]

That's the case now, but what I am saying is that Penthos' Blinkstorm used to deal about the same amount as old LZ's blinkstorm. Old LZ's playstyle was Blinkstorm -> (Ult if necessary) -> Overdrive around the person(s), and that's what old Penthos basically used to do until the nerf, which was to get him out of the autoban list.

 

Na penthos blink storm was strong because it applied a damage buff to the opponent for 3 seconds. So even if you ran out of the blinkstorm away from penthos you still took damage. This was the only real problem.

 

Once Eco changed this where you actually have to be in the storm to take dmg. This skill fell off and became no more then a gap closer.

 

Because of a mis conception that the storm was "op" it got over nerfed, From the damage and blink range, When the real issue was fixed with how the damage was applied.

[oXide]

I enjoyed playing against him also is old Lz any different from a shadow or zera now they are hated to be played against but aren't really op. And old Lz had a big counter to his ult which was flash. And with current items he wouldn't be as op as he was. I'd figure he would be on par with the tier 2 heroes possibly tier 1 but I'd highly doubt it

[RedHydra]

Na penthos blink storm was strong because it applied a damage buff to the opponent for 3 seconds. So even if you ran out of the blinkstorm away from penthos you still took damage. This was the only real problem.

 

Once Eco changed this where you actually have to be in the storm to take dmg. This skill fell off and became no more then a gap closer.

 

Because of a mis conception that the storm was "op" it got over nerfed, From the damage and blink range, When the real issue was fixed with how the damage was applied.

 

The compliant on Penthos was over the place, but that's the past now.

 

I believe the Blinkstorm DoT was what old LZ used to do.

[oXide]

 

 

The compliant on Penthos was over the place, but that's the past now.

 

I believe the Blinkstorm DoT was what old LZ used to do.

 

Blinkstorm was a DoT BUT it actually did real damage unlike penthos's storm. I really don't think I've ever even used ult blink overdrive because it still does almost no damage and the Q pull is better and so is the E shields *IMO*

[mynhauzen]

well with no old items old LZ would be bad now. He was pretty bad with no items on +100 TS without any uniques. His melee damage was rather weak, and the only way to kill was to use q+w+r+old cont shard... In today's world LZ would be comletely useless. And with buff's he would be like new lz (boring tank), or like virgil (nuker) or like boros (melee tank). Dont really know if it would make this game any more fun or less fun tbh.

 

Old lz was fun cause of broken items...

Edited November 21, 2013 by mynhauzen

[SayMyName]

Pentos is not the old LZ, mainly cause dont have the initiation power of the old lz.

 

Old LZ was trapping people in ring with ult (dont remember now if they were stunned or silenced or what)

 

Penthos dont have that + is not tanky, and don't have even that amount of spelldmg from skills to snowball to be semicarry

(currently roles in this game are so blurred.... everybody is almost carry. Items provides dmg by hugest degree, not skills and lvls. Heroes are way less lvl revelant in aos and very farm oriented and thats painful for me and experienced people)

Sotis was super highly snowball oriented and it was nerfed hard.

 

Still farmed penthos can dishout huge amount of dmg, carry hard. (Dmg output, survivability, splitpushing ability)

He can farm fast but still comes online late thats what i feel after playing couple of games with him, knowing items in game, how they work, meta etc etc.

Still I think I should play much more games with him, for my statements to be really valued on current balance of penthos.

 

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As for the answer for the topic. I prefered the old LZ, hell I prefered old sotis.

 

But now we have already those 2 heroes in game and brining old LZ should not happen in my eyes.

I think We should focus straightly to solution of this issue focus on those heroes, both of them fullfilling their roles and being fun to play (adjustment to concepts, skillset even maybe, balance on the values etc). LZ is fulling his role but is boring as hell (for sure not for everybody, but for me- he is)

Edited November 21, 2013 by SayMyName

[mynhauzen]

Pentos is not the old LZ, mainly cause dont have the initiation power of the old lz.

 

Old LZ was trapping people in ring with ult (dont remember now if they were stunned or silenced or what)

no stun or silence. You were in the circle of immortals, and each of them would shot at you for 3-4 seconds or something. Each immortal would die if u hit him twice. So basically the counter was not to fight but to blink away, or to kill immortals, which was hard cause a lot lz were using stun button. For TS lz the best counter was to buy sfg that would reduce target's TS for 90% (basically make his w+q to do 100 damage instead of 500-800 per several seconds). Well in fact a lot of lz's were dying in their own ulti without escaping ability, which pushed em use chrono dagger, which, IMO is the best looking than combo in the sotis history (so many times I killed people in their own base and would chrono back!)

q>w>r>chrono dagger. Best looking combo in the game. Another one that was pretty entertaining to watch was drake with pluck + chrono dagger, boros with high speed and teleports, pluck from any place in the map with teleport on to pool a person was the best looking bug ever :D

Edited November 21, 2013 by mynhauzen

[atomheartman]

no stun or silence. You were in the circle of immortals, and each of them would shot at you for 3-4 seconds or something. Each immortal would die if u hit him twice. So basically the counter was not to fight but to blink away, or to kill immortals, which was hard cause a lot lz were using stun button. For TS lz the best counter was to buy sfg that would reduce target's TS for 90% (basically make his w+q to do 100 damage instead of 500-800 per several seconds). Well in fact a lot of lz's were dying in their own ulti without escaping ability, which pushed em use chrono dagger, which, IMO is the best looking than combo in the sotis history (so many times I killed people in their own base and would chrono back!)

q>w>r>chrono dagger. Best looking combo in the game. Another one that was pretty entertaining to watch was drake with pluck + chrono dagger, boros with high speed and teleports, pluck from any place in the map with teleport on to pool a person was the best looking bug ever :D

 

I had that bug with Zera. Someone pressed D to Tp on base and at this moment i tried to last hit him with Q and was TP'ed to the enemy's pool)