Tosh Gudie

[sportsman]

any suggestions for a good tosh guide? would be great

[NeVeRWiN]

Would love to see this as well. Also on a side note, how does tosh stun? I used this char and not once saw anything listened as an ability to stun, but yet when fighting him, I am stunned. Just a side question I hope is covered when someone helps sportsman with a good guide

[Yaldi]

Would love to see this as well. Also on a side note, how does tosh stun? I used this char and not once saw anything listened as an ability to stun, but yet when fighting him, I am stunned. Just a side question I hope is covered when someone helps sportsman with a good guide

 

His spectres from his w each have a stun. Shortcut is w if you have them selected.

 

not sure the best build for him just now since I haven't played much since the patch but early game you should get a stun knife and foe then other on hit effects.

 

Max his w first too. Then q. R whenever

[Jaysi]

His Q also slows for a few seconds before it stuns and does a bit of damage.

[Moo]

The items I know are good on him are pyre and lightning rod, but I'm not experienced with tosh, so I don't know any others. Max w first. Stun knife and timesplitter seem like they would be good, and their actives stack (cooldown is not shared) so you can get both.

[smorgishborg]

He is really situational for any team, based on your comp and theirs.

 

If the other team has high burst you will need health so good items to think about are Pulse Hammer or CoA. Get one after stun knife.

 

Otherwise, pyre, sliptide, shadowmourne, darwins, and contamination shard are all good choices.

 

I generally go 2,1,3: Might, Fury, Health, CD(or energy), ms, and wealth. Start with machette and build right into stun knife.

 

Also, STR and AGI potions are a good option for tosh

[Lios]

Talents : Might - Fury - Veteran ( or Haste ) - Fitness - Swiftness - Youth ( Mana prob )

Build :

- Machete

- Pulse Hammer ( Make into FoE later )

- Stun knife ( Time splitter )

- Pyre

- Con Shard

- Shadowmourne

- Sell Machete, get Galatic defender

Playstyle : Stun, stun , stun. After taking creep camp as veteran you would have about 1 spectre ( say start w - q ). Look for hurty, should be first blood right away if your partner have some kind of cc. Then keep going through out the game. The only thing that you should keep in mind as tosh is the moment you use stun. Your main combo should be ult - q - spam w - get e at ur target location, after w and q runs out active timesplitter. Now your target should be dead ( ult also give you a slight boost speed )

 

It doesn't really matter if your opponent have high burst and stuff, as long as you not silenced, you have about 8 second stun... And you got galatic shield... Do not sacrifice your spectre, they're the bread and butter that make Tosh is Tosh...

[SayMyName]

No, No and one more time NO.

 

Tosh is mainly semi-carry support. He fits the best in this role. He is also good anti-tank.

 

Tosh main dmg is his ult, rad and a pyre (u can add shadowmourne, slipthyde if u really want)

U dont get mostly dmg items on tosh or lifesteal, or attk tree thats why (even on normal carries def tree is way stronger into mid-lategame)

 

U go aura teamfight items. Or support/tank items. And obviously timesplitter for more stuns atk speed and survivability.

 

His timing is midgame. He starts being strong from lvl 5 into 11.

Standard skillbuild - w q w e w r w q (max q) etc

Standard build - Coa or Spellbuffer into pyre into stun knife. U can buy Situationally also: Korhal, Foe or Atom Smasher, Taser or Sword Breaker, Galactic defenfer or Organic.

For talents go mainly Defensive tree. 1 atk (dmg from offensive), 4 def (health, spell res, arm, fortify), 1 ut (movespeed)

U can start with items like Hatchet and Soul engine, Health pot + Mana pot.

Tosh laning phase is about outlasthitting enemies and outdenying. Always care about Ur spectres and try to have them max or at least 3 of them.

Tosh can go almost anywhere, make strong kill lanes with good partners, roam from jungle or even go offlane with spectres/ward scout - but i truly dont recommend that. Good opponents that know how to play can just not push lane and u'll not get anything. Tosh as a semicarry, not pure support will offer way more with strong midgame timing to Ur team.

 

Spectres have stuns on W. U need to learn positinioning with tosh and spectres, timing to enter fights and timing for the stuns/other abilities. U need to practice it with games to point its natural.

 

Hf

[Lios]

Means when ur ult is out ur useless ? Lol, everyone has their own play style. I prefer "Kill them before them kill you", let the tank/sup do their jobs with aura, our job is to take down 2-3 people of the other side.

[sportsman]

tested ur build and at least in these games it worked fine ...

thanks for this

 

one question:

sometimes when i have spectres and tosh selected together i dont see items of tosh. but sometimes i can and use them. is this somehow a bug?

[Lios]

Yea, just select spectre and tosh at the same time, dont shift and select them..

[sportsman]

normally i am doing this (either selecting all or with "3" on my Keyboard) but still sometimes i cant use his items but only his abilities. i will have some games now and post a screenshot when it appears again

seems to me like a bug

[sportsman]

here is one screenshot

 

 

as you can see i have seleected both Tosh and Spectres. I can also use the abilities of tosh but i cant use his Items. They are not visible

[ANARCHY]

^^yeah ive also been playing tosh lately and this seems to happen a fair bit, around mid game it just bugs out and when you select all units at once u cant see items

sometimes it has hero portrait sometimes it has minion portrait (but tosh spells), tried every combo to select them differently but nothing works

[SayMyName]

Means when ur ult is out ur useless ? Lol, everyone has their own play style. I prefer "Kill them before them kill you", let the tank/sup do their jobs with aura, our job is to take down 2-3 people of the other side.

 

Everyone has own playstyle thats obviouse I agree. But it doesn't matter that every choice or decision u make is best or even good. Best things still are being made accorded to situation. And in a pub that propably Ur talking about, Im not counting it. In pub u can do whatever u wan't. U can go sunflare zeratul if U wan't. Does it mean its good? No. When Both teams make 10 tousand horrible mistakes one after another.

 

What I am talking is about top lvl competetive play. Cause that's what U should learn from if U wanna be really good. Im one of best toshes in this game and I learned from John. But maybe U don't even know who the John is. Antipicating- Im sorry for that, if u'll have problem with that and that I tryed to share my knowledge and experience here for nothing.

 

U'll have attitude of - "more dmg" and items regardless of hero. Heroes have their skillset, their timings and they scale cause of that with diffrent thing (including items)- U can build whatever U want but I repeat - It doesn't matter its good. Tosh is more about positioning and timing i already told that. Yes ur basicly 10 sec teamfighter and that's how long most of teamfight outcomes are made from on most good mobas. Then U have cd's, spec don't have stuns or they are already dead. That's how the hero work and U should accept this. U can make a kill, double kill, or sometimes maybe triple kill with Tosh and that's all.

 

Tosh doesn't scale superiorly with dmg (He doesnt have any real skill steorids, for this for example his Ult would need to ADD dmg, but then Tosh would be retardly stronger) - Ur wasting a lot on value on his ult- Cause U can go support items or tankish and give more farm to Ur carries for lategame or even possibilty of buying true tank selfish items on the tanks. If U wanna dmg- Why U don't then just pick hardcarry? The real dmg to table should bring U farmed CARRIES, Tosh is mostly picked because of his STUNS. U'll still have some dmg after ult with pyre and timesplitter. But what I am talking about when U already argue.

[sportsman]

^^yeah ive also been playing tosh lately and this seems to happen a fair bit, around mid game it just bugs out and when you select all units at once u cant see items

sometimes it has hero portrait sometimes it has minion portrait (but tosh spells), tried every combo to select them differently but nothing works

 

only thing that works is kill all spectres and get new ones but loosing all spectres is crucial to Tosh

and even if u do so the bug appears again and again and its annoying

its already hard enough to handle tosh and all his abilities but switching manually betwenn hero (to use items) and spectres is annoying in fights

[Lios]

I suppose he want a "pub" build, please stop talking like pub level play is trash. I just hate people with inhouse > pub so my opinion is better then yours

[SayMyName]

Because IH lvl is higher. Its more competetive. Its higher from definition- of IH and of MOBA- which is strategy, complex 5v5 game. IH are played with goal to win and for that u play accordingly to how the game works. U can ignore and avoid facts it wont change anythings. If u wanna argue, go and prove it. Come and win vs my team or any decent team from mumble (not a team that just came from pub). Gl Hf

 

Sorry that U have some kind of problem with that. And U start to bring non related to the subject - issue arguments. It feels like U can't understand that some decisions/choices/things can or will be worse.

[Lios]

Dude, all I want is get a guide for sportman and your reaction ? You literally say my build is trash by "No,no and one more time, NO". At least give a damn respect about other people then. Just write your build out and let he decide him will use which one. Do not talking about other people stuff to promote your own

[Jaysi]

@Lios

 

I wouldn't get contamination Shard on Tosh. During ultimate, your weapon damage is 0, therefore Contam is doing 0 damage. I would say in most fights, you will be using your ultimate for about 50-75% of the fight. I think there are much more useful items for Tosh than Contam.

 

Like SMN said, Sliptide because it still procs during ultimate and I believe clone procs full damage from it. Otherwise there is CoA(I don't think there is a max WS on minions?), Korhal(gives 8% SR to specters), Spell Buffer, etc.

[SayMyName]

Dude, all I want is get a guide for sportman and your reaction ? You literally say my build is trash by "No,no and one more time, NO". At least give a damn respect about other people then. Just write your build out and let he decide him will use which one. Do not talking about other people stuff to promote your own

 

I think u completly misunderstood much of stuff. I don't say that people are trash. I wanted to write it to be clear but I didn't in previous post, so it could be shorter. But I see that U have some problems with that and U try to catch anything. I will repeat- People ARE NOT TRASH i hope U understand this, cause U said it, so somehow U need to think like this, or that people think like this, which is wrong. There are only things, behaviours and issues/stuff- which if U avoid will become problems. I respect people but i don't avoid the issues/problem/progression. I said that in pubs u have people often with lower skill/knowledge off game or they don't care that much if they have cause its public and that's how it is in like 95% of the time. U wanna negate it, try to lie to other people because of some kind of fear or U prefer to accept it and evolve progress?

 

U CAN ALWAYS GO AND START PLAYING WITH TEAM OR MORE COMPETETIVE if u really want. But I think currently it can be hard with attitude like this- that some people can't have higher knowledge or could work harder, which is not bad, .

 

One question- If somebody would need to administrate a country- would U give it to a child or to someone with knowledge? It doesn't matter? If u give it to someone with knowledge than its not fair, right?

 

To play really good this game, one of most core things- U need to play as a team and have mentality like this. Even if it's public then lead the team if U have knowledge or let somebody lead it and communicate with each other if U wanna win. If We don't talk about best possible playing and winning the game, then what's the sense? I mean then We can go singleplayer or other game. But I didn't saw topic "what's the most troll build of tosh or smth like this" - I read: "any suggestions for a good tosh guide? would be great".

 

U talk about respect? When U sheep over people experience. Trying to catch anything to fight them.

 

 

If U wanna know why teamfight/aura items scales the best with tosh - cause it hits his peak, his timing of midgame and overall his style. It buffs Ur spectres even outside of ult (for example spellbuffer can make ur spectres harder to kill) and it buffs Ur whole team. Ur team- They bring dmg and other stuff - when U bring disbales and some dmg. He is one of best stunners in the entire game. That's how tosh works correctly and this is his main role.

[Lios]

4 paragraph is too much for me to read, to much "U", if people can just type you like a normal english user. Let's end these irrelevant stuff about this topic, Im out. Next time, if you want to teach somebody somethin', use proper word.

[Jaysi]

4 paragraph is too much for me to read, to much "U", if people can just type you like a normal english user. Let's end these irrelevant stuff about this topic, Im out. Next time, if you want to teach somebody somethin', use proper word.

 

You have to realize a lot of players first language isn't English or they might be posting from a mobile device. There English isn't going to be perfect. If I could ever write in a second language like any of these people do with their English, I'd be extremely happy with myself and I give a lot of respect to those people.

 

And yes, there are just people who have no excuse for bad English. But it's the Internet, you have to expect that.

 

Also SMN is known for his long posts and these are actually some of his shorter ones. I would appreciate if you summarized more SMN, more people would take something away from it then.

[SayMyName]

4 paragraph is too much for me to read, to much "U", if people can just type you like a normal english user. Let's end these irrelevant stuff about this topic, Im out. Next time, if you want to teach somebody somethin', use proper word.

 

I don't even feel sorry that U don't have any relevant or any benefical or logical argument. Again U show "Ur respect" when its too much work to even read or listen what people are saying, esp when Ur superbly trying to argue with them. From me EoT. Gl

 

Also SMN is known for his long posts and these are actually some of his shorter ones. I would appreciate if you summarized more SMN, more people would take something away from it then.

 

I would love to make shorter posts if it was so simple and enough.

Look- one of stuffs I didn't write and somebody already saying that I say, spread and think that people are trash and I don't respect people, like wt.... I respect people a lot. I believe that everybody is good and smart and can learn. I also listen to people who have higher experience or I don't talk when I don't know something. If I don't know something completly than I ask. I even write this word U instead of You/you to be shorter and from high letter cause of RESPECT, but when some people have problems even this can disturb them, anything can.

 

The thing is that when there is some issue, or more strictly issue becoming a problem it means that often its complex. And to solve the complex thing or things being avoided U need to put lot of work/energy if U wanna it/them to start disappearing- that's how it work.

 

I write at start/at once everything which i know that can be correlated to the stuff. Instead of writting like 10 posts which i could. But i don't care about post count but about issue and to help solve them. I don't force anybody to read my posts but i try to prevent spreading bad attitude/lies/misinformation. If U wanna read my posts but it's too much- U can take break as U want and read it later always (if its not delated or banned)

[Mus]

Lios got pwnd.

 

SMN actually justified his build and pointed out the weaknesses in Lios'. I see no problem here.