Moo Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 The highest skill cap heroes I thought of were: Zeratul, Maar, Tbone, Dustin, and Jakk. Which heroes do you think have the highest skill cap? Note: when I say skillcap, I do not mean the hardest to play effectively, I mean which are the most rewarding if you were able to play them perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayMyName Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 All u mentioned pretty much + U can add Tosh, Rory, Boros. There are also much more heroes with skillshots and skillcap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOTHER Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Garamond and Queen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayMyName Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Garamond and Queen. Garamond yes, but queen is pretty ez and straight forward hero, mostly commin to standard stuff, spamming spell, map awarness and splitpushing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOTHER Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 He wasn't talking about hardest to play, he said most rewarding to play perfectly. Also spamming banelings and actually landing them are two different things and is one of the things that separates good from bad queen players IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayMyName Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 He wasn't talking about hardest to play, he said most rewarding to play perfectly. Also spamming banelings and actually landing them are two different things and is one of the things that separates good from bad queen players IMO. Spamming banes and even landing them is not something hard. I don't really see any true "skillshot" value here. Banes lands more if enemy is close and is on creep tumor. U can buy lockbox if U wanna land more banes. Still instead of trying to land perfect banes once every 20 seconds, U can just spam banes with very low cd, keep zoning enemies or splitpushing map way harder, which U think is better? Landing Ultra stun with insta cast and huge aoe is also not that hard. U have some banes, have some micro with ultra and healing the ultra and thats all. Its not that this all is "high rewarding" and really hard to manage, its that currently queen is super strong hero (cause of cds/dmg/mana values/mobility/strong splitpushing and timings possibilty. Its good that queen have strong early-midgame, thats how i think and see queen should be. Its maybe little to strong) When U understand this, We can debate, otherwise its eot considering queen from my side. Cause i don't think this topic is about "op heroes currently right now in the game". The hero- queen is not even comparable by any measure and degree with skillcap/reward to all the heroes mentioned at top of the topic. Jaysi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOTHER Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 I'm sorry, I seem to have forgotten that everyone is entitled to your opinion. My bad. Hogwarts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phailer Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Wouldn't put zera in the top half of heroes in terms of skill cap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayMyName Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 I'm sorry, I seem to have forgotten that everyone is entitled to your opinion. My bad. Sorry that I have my opinions, experience, knowledge, decently arranged thing/world view and Im sharing, representing them, I will not change that cause U say so, cause U feel somehow in danger, jealous or whatever non-healthy, non-productive reason there is. I dont even wanna go futher into this. Im not forcing U to my opinion, or anyone. But for me its pretty straight forward what i said. I said all from my side about queen skillcap/reward and its eot from my side. Im not even attacking U, which seems U assumed I am, and somehow U feel insulted and in danger . Pls, stop taking things personal, if U wanna discuss, discuss about topic, case, issue more. U can write more, post more about this or think whatever U want, jeez. But i won't discuss it more further, that's all. I don't have anything against U. If u have something against me, pm me, or write a topic in fitting/correct place at forum. I think it would be more beneficial for everybody- me, U, the topic, community, the forum arrangement and more. Wouldn't put zera in the top half of heroes in terms of skill cap Zera is very high skillcap hero if U wanna play it competetive and to full potential. Its not about public, that people make terrible mistakes one after another, grouping up in teamfights all the time, playing solo and being caught constantly 1v1, not playing with timings, not countering pressuring hardcarries and more more more. Zera is one of the most core heroes being considered "op" in public and "up" in competetive play. BestPlayer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooky Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 I would add Penthos to that list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginosaji Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Zera, Jakk, Rory, Garamond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWaterJustIce Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Rancor is pretty tuff :) BestPlayer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 The fact that every noob can play Zeratul and win a pub doesn't make him a pubtard hero, he has indeed a high skill cap, and you can see perfectly who is smart enough with Zeratul and who is not... Apocalyptic and Jaysi 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Viron Jaysi and Figgonson 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogwarts Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 say my name can you like you know give it a rest? with these ridiculous post and trying to psychoanalyze every one you quote? I personally think Maar, Zera, I think lock box rules out heroes ike garamond and rory. jakk. But i think hands down maar is the highest skill cap hero. Its lane phase is easy and straight forward. throw down red bubble last hit. its a free lane, But in a team fight maar has to make so many instant decisions and require good micro to get the correct orbs up for the spell. Maar has to decide when to sap when to heal when to shield his allies when to fire ball. etc.. At the moment i think the best maar is highdrater but i dont even think he has reached the full potential of the hero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfricanPride Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Tychus and toxi John and Peas 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midknight Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 People are entitled to their own understanding of what qualifies as a high skill cap or a low skill cap. So there's no sense in criticizing someone for their choice (or agreeing, for that matter) if you don't even agree on the criteria. One person could say Broccoli tastes good while another says Broccoli tastes bad, but if the person who likes broccoli bases his decision on a savory, vegetable taste and the person who doesn't like it bases his decision on it not being tongue-curdlingly sweet, they're basically comparing apples to oranges. So if one person thinks "high skill cap" means "difficult to master" while another person thinks it means "most rewarding to master", then of course they're going to disagree because they're using different methods of ordering them. That having been said, another factor is what kind of a player you are; what is your relative ability for strategy, tactics, logistics, and diplomacy? Even if you're using the same meterstick to measure these heroes, there's still the matter of what that means to you. People who have trouble micro-managing adds might find heroes like Tosh, MK, or maybe even Tassadar quite difficult and "high skill cap". Meanwhile, the player for whom micro-ing adds comes easy won't consider those heroes to be so hard to play. Players who have a good intuitive sense and can frequently anticipate where an opponent will be/what they will do is going to do well with non-targeted abilities where they can anticipate which way the opponent will dodge and the opponent finds themselves "dodging" right into the skillshot. For a person who is bad at that, a "click for sure hit" effect might be better. So this isn't so much a ranking based on the heroes themselves but more a ranking on types of players; how frequently is a player expected to find Zera a high-skill hero vs some other hero. From that, you can derive trends on play-style and individual hero preferences, but never an absolute list of inherent difficult rating of a hero that can applied "one-size-fits-all" to everyone. Sweeping generalizations are bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayMyName Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 say my name can you like you know give it a rest? with these ridiculous post and trying to psychoanalyze every one you quote No I can't. Its a forum. I give my opinions on way i believe is the best, way that enables me to communicate, to tell everything and have lower possiblity to be misunderstood. Im not stupid and Im putting a lot of work, sorry I will not change that cause U say so. If U don't like it, don't read it. And my nick is "SayMyName, not say my name" BestPlayer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOTHER Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 No I can't. Its a forum. I give my opinions on way i believe is the best, way that enables me to communicate, to tell everything and have lower possiblity to be misunderstood. Im not stupid and Im putting a lot of work, sorry I will not change that cause U say so. If U don't like it, don't read it. And my nick is "SayMyName, not say my name" Moo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 better like this! Moo, SayMyName and Allstar 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidChan Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 i heard vergil is the hardest hero to play! highest skill cap for sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 If I go by the OP's definition, I think that the heroes with the highest skill cap are Drake, Dustin, LZ, Balrog, Tassidar, Tosh and Zeratul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayMyName Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 better like this! Shiep, Resi! Im shocked! :O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazySoldier Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Heroes like rancor and toxi actually have a high skill cap its just easy to do decent with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayMyName Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Heroes like rancor and toxi actually have a high skill cap its just easy to do decent with them. Thats true. WIth lack of mobility on toxi, he requires very strong positioning and timing of engaging, entering fight. But on other hand using all his skills is pretty straight forward. There is decent amount of heroes in pool that requires very strong positioning, timing of engaging + have skillshots :) Rancor have his super unique playstyle that its good to learn. But when people do this, he is one of most useful heroes in game. Also his combo and timing on it takes time to learn. Rancor is really cool hero :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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