Broad question for timing of Paralax

[herman]

So this is a broad question and I am apologize in advance if it has been answered in prior threads. If you have teams that are cc heavy... how do you guys feel about having the first item that you get (after your initiate buckler, machete, etc.) be paralax? In playing an IH game last night as a kitty I felt very to being lock boxed and slowed by Penthos. Is this ever a good idea and when might it not be?

[Indo]

.. well you should try to get it.. but not as first item since you would fall back to far without items that enable you to get your farm together, try to get someone to get taser or get it yourself it'd be a cheaper solution

[Mus]

Actually getting Parallax as second item isn't unheard of. In the recent thread about Penthos builds I recall Spooky referring to Penthos' huge vulnerabtility to CC and he said that you should buy Parallax straight after Machette.

 

Leo has similar problems with CC.

 

If you are in IH and the enemy team have a lot of CC then yes you definitely should consider getting Parallax as second item after Machette.

[herman]

.. well you should try to get it.. but not as first item since you would fall back to far without items that enable you to get your farm together, try to get someone to get taser or get it yourself it'd be a cheaper solution

 

I have toyed around with the taser idea and I do agree with you that it is effective, but I see it being effective against minimal cc and only on one target..

 

Actually getting Parallax as second item isn't unheard of. In the recent thread about Penthos builds I recall Spooky referring to Penthos' huge vulnerabtility to CC and he said that you should buy Parallax straight after Machette.

 

Leo has similar problems with CC.

 

If you are in IH and the enemy team have a lot of CC then yes you definitely should consider getting Parallax as second item after Machette.

 

Mus let me ask you this. If I was kitty, nova, shade, etc. that was my team's jungler ... would you normally not even worry about the paralax and try to time getting into team fights after most of the cc has been used on your team mates? Would this allow you to get further along in your builds or would this be sacrificial for your team?

[ginosaji]

With kitty you do insane damage, the problem is getting to the enemy. The same can be said for penthos, although not quite as bad on him. On Cat sometimes I open Machete, TPI, Tazer, Parallax. With Tazer and Parallax, you will almost certainly be able to engage properly early game. TPI for chasing and getting your DPS out faster. The order depends on need, but there's alot of CC available with stun knife now, which makes Parallax on melee dps heroes almost essential. Then build INT after those items.

[Adamantium]

I don't think there is a definite answer to that. In some cases you may need to be able to withstand cc in order to do your job and other times you may be able to wait till the majority of CC is used before jumping in. Keep in mind that time fought without you is time fought as 4v5 and if you aren't able to clean up quickly, the CC will be back off cooldown and your time away from the fight would have been wasted. It depends on the hero compositions of the enemy team as well as the items that they are picking up.

[Mus]

Mus let me ask you this. If I was kitty, nova, shade, etc. that was my team's jungler ... would you normally not even worry about the paralax and try to time getting into team fights after most of the cc has been used on your team mates? Would this allow you to get further along in your builds or would this be sacrificial for your team?

 

Parallax should be considered when you are playing a melee hero. Leo struggles in lane a lot, he doesn't get much farm. That is why Leo is usually in the jungle. But he still rushes Parallax in almost all IH games because of enemy CC shutting him down.

 

If you are a ranged hero then you don't need to worry about it as much because the enemy CC won't be reaching you as easily.

[Spooky]

In Dota 2 there is much more CC and a lot of carries rushing anti-CC item first, so they can do their job later. So I don't see anything wrong with getting Parallax just after initial items. Don't forget it gives pretty decent stats as well and additional healing (300 hp) once debuff is put on u - which is more significant early game than late game. However there are ninja heroes like Shadow, Leo, Crackling and they engaging after most of abilities are already used, so they may play without it early game. But if u are playing against heroes like Brine, Rancor, Raynor, Rory, etc. Parallax going to be necessary sooner or later on many heroes. So I don't see anything wrong with rushing it on carries, but only when enemies has huge amount of CC or u are very vulnerable to it, like Penthos is.

[herman]

With kitty you do insane damage, the problem is getting to the enemy. The same can be said for penthos, although not quite as bad on him. On Cat sometimes I open Machete, TPI, Tazer, Parallax. With Tazer and Parallax, you will almost certainly be able to engage properly early game. TPI for chasing and getting your DPS out faster. The order depends on need, but there's alot of CC available with stun knife now, which makes Parallax on melee dps heroes almost essential. Then build INT after those items.

 

Yea I agree. The other night I was able to go Machete --> TPI --> EM ... that's the point where I couldn't decide whether I should have gone Paralax or not so I just decide to get warpshard to escape from CC while still build int. I rounded out the build by going Yama --> warp shard --> cerebro --> Organic I like going warp shard on my kitty builds because it allows a bit more versatility in my builds. I think a lot of people I see going kitty go overboard into weapon damage and attack speed and IMO he is there to do a "good" not "great" amount of damage to multiple targets... for instance in team fights the other night I waited until my team got off their skill shots and weakened multiple chars then used yama + ultimate to kill the low HP char and allow for my team to finish off the others I did damage to. Is this how you guys see kitty being utilized? Also I would love to know what quidditch, ada, and destroyer think as they were in the game ... should I have gone Paralax in it?

[Stalker]

All person preference. I prefer getting my team the upper hand by dealing as much possible damage and still have the tankiness to survive. Kittys job is the get your team the advantage of your team battle, also to take out those nasty low hp heros like Vergil and Grunty and other blink/get away chars.

[solrflare]

solution is to stop playing kitty and go ss queen gg no re

[Indo]

when you have kitty and you face smthing like jax roach and rory... you're flobed without paralax