Boros Crit vs. INT

[NeVeRWiN]

I was wondering with the new patch if an INT/CD Boros is still viable in the new patching system. I rarely see Boros players and they all go aa/crit items. I read somewhere someone say "go crit or go home". With that said I started playing Boros a few months ago. But frankly Crit build is boring to me and I'd like to branch out a bit. My crit build may not even be that good for all I know. But I was wondering if any Boros players have advice, suggestions or play style with INT Boros they can share with me. I'd also like some build orders, play style advice ect. For how to use Boros as an INT Caster instead of crit/dos.

 

 

My crit build is basically culling>barb>exe axe>stun knife>phase cloak>2 move speed items off of the arc bound ravager>finish khali>force of entropy, finish arc. Then grab items to adjust to the game if it goes farther. If anyone has sugguestions for crit Boros I'd love them as any advice from better Boros players is always great to have, or even other tips.

 

 

But I'm primarily here for tips and build orders on an INT/CD Boros to augment the use of his Bola and SS. I don't have any ideas for a build order or even game player mechanics per say on how to utilize this alternate side of Boros. 

 

 

I guess I'd start with cerebro then into a gravity edge? But truth be told I'm not sure. Also if an INT build is even worth it now seeing as aa carries have some great new items at their disposal. Tips please I'd love to here ideas on this topic. I didn't really find much info on Boros at all except old patches that are useless now. Which is better in people's opinions here also? I can't comment to much as I have no idea on how to use Boros INT side, just a fair understanding of his crit aa side.

[MrGrim]

I'm not a very good boros but imo shinobi's >> arcbound and I don't think force entropy is really good anymore since so many more people get shadowmourne over it for health and the passive.

[NeVeRWiN]

I do either or, but sometimes I find myself needing move speed and shinobis is only extra move when you are cloaked. Plus arc gives me crit and weapon speed to augment my damage from khali and the crit damage on khali. In the end I usually have both. As to force of entropy vs. Shadowmourne I switch between the 2. But force is cheaper and a quicker route to go for no boost because of the cost, plus with the slow isn't a bad deal imo.

[residente]

If you're bad and you have no idea how to bola, but you know how to press right click use crit builds, if you're good use INT build.

[Moo]

Get lockbox and impact dial on INT boros, then ihan and nitrogen retrofit. After that, gravity edge, stars, and cerebro, selling impact dial when you need to.

[NeVeRWiN]

@Residente Good to know, you single handedly answered my question with a subtle passive comment about how to use Boros. To answer you I'm actually good at Bola and am always energy hungry. I carry 4 mana potions often and am always retreating for energy, not health. I find Bola fun and crit Boros boring. That's the entire reason I brought this thread up to see if INT is viable still and it seemingly it surely is. Thank you.

 

@Moo I personally know and feel that lockbox is not needed on my end. Not to sound rude or anything if it comes off as that. However the other item suggestions iI appreciate.

 

Any particular order on those? I would figure impact, then components of cerebro with grav first. Build cerebro and then stars fury?? Not sure on that order, if anyone can add to item or build orders.

[Moo]

@Residente Good to know, you single handedly answered my question with a subtle passive comment about how to use Boros. To answer you I'm actually good at Bola and am always energy hungry. I carry 4 mana potions often and am always retreating for energy, not health. I find Bola fun and crit Boros boring. That's the entire reason I brought this thread up to see if INT is viable still and it seemingly it surely is. Thank you.

 

@Moo I personally know and feel that lockbox is not needed on my end. Not to sound rude or anything if it comes off as that. However the other item suggestions iI appreciate.

 

Any particular order on those? I would figure impact, then components of cerebro with grav first. Build cerebro and then stars fury?? Not sure on that order, if anyone can add to item or build orders.

If you don't need lockbox you don't need it, that is your call, it is just such a good item that I would include it. As for what items to get first, impact dial or ihan, just personal preference. Ihan if you are just farming and need sustain, dial if you don't need the sustain from ihan yet and you are fighting and ganking a lot. After those two items, I would get nitrogen retrofit so that you can stick to people and have a bit more tankiness. Gravity edge after that to make you one-shot people with bola+impact dial, in case you weren't already. Cerebro and stars are for the finishing hit after you bring them down to super low. If you want to get lightning rod early on into the game, go for it, it lets boros kill creeps so much easier. You don't really need the stars fury if you want more tankiness by the way, it is just for maximum burst potential, you can always have a darksteel for those aa heroes, since you have spell storm to stop casters from killing you.

[ginosaji]

AA Boros doesn't work well IH, but can work well in pubs, especially with FOE and Nitrogen as the slow is very important for a melee hero.

 

INT Boros requires an impact dial imo, because if you use your spell storm for damage on the enemy, you won't have an escape route. Boros, like any other melee hero, has issues engaging and disengaging already and is relatively squishy. I prefer Culling Saber>Machete>Dial>Lockbox>Gravity Edge>Kali. LB isn't necessary by any means, using it doesn't mean you're bad at bolas however. It will increase the percentage of Bolas landed by a noticeable percentage even for the best Boros players. On top of that, it provides exceptional utility for a melee hero. It can be used to dodge key spells (since your SS may be down because you need to use it for damage). It can be used to save teammates, disrupt spell/initiations like Micro, Brine, Unix. It can also be used to LB people as you retreat/chase. Boros is a finesse hero, and LB provides more utility to exploit that. These two items also provide INT, which is good for INT boros obviously.

 

Boros needs to jungle to get good farm since he can be harassed so easily unless babysat very well. Many times in pubs people are afk in lane for long periods, just depends.

[EterNity]

As Boros, currently speaking, you want as much crit % and weapon damage as possible.

 

The only INT item that is worth getting is Impact Dial to help you initiate better and pull enemies deeper into your team and it also helps you to get away from messy situation where your spell storm is on cool down.

 

Damage protential wise, builing phycial damage out-rank building INT currently unless you are in an In-House situation where your team picked Boros as "the Initiator."

[ANARCHY]

As Boros, currently speaking, you want as much crit % and weapon damage as possible.

 

The only INT item that is worth getting is Impact Dial to help you initiate better and pull enemies deeper into your team and it also helps you to get away from messy situation where your spell storm is on cool down.

 

Damage protential wise, builing phycial damage out-rank building INT currently unless you are in an In-House situation where your team picked Boros as "the Initiator."

or enemy buys DST....

[captcpc]

Would actually say Impact Dial is more important as a setup for the Bola than it is an escape mechanism. Lets you be a little more unpredictable and Bola from the fog.

[Dav]

I always play boros as int/dps. Starting to get 2x Machete, then rush for grav. You can get so many kills in earyl/mid game with the bola itself if you got some int early on 8)

[Indo]

In ma opinion int boros is more viable at start-midgame, but falls of lategame..

 

I'd start with something like ihan+rod but then go culling saber+lethal barb

[NeVeRWiN]

@Moo I never really thought of LB as a multi dimensional item. I looked at it as use it to trap them and cast. I felt it fit hero's like Jackson, Rory far better than Boros. But you all bring up super important points, I think ginosaji said it best by stating it will help increase the % of bolas landed. Which right there makes the most sense Shi h frankly I didn't look at lockbox like that. I looked at lockbox as an item if your not too good at bola, use it. Basically dumbing down Boros and his bola. But I like the way you worded it and said it very well. Additionally you are right and I think LB will be added to my build now because of the perspective you gave me on it.

 

I can't quote people as this is the mobile version of the AoS website. But @EterNity you are right on the crit and max weapon damage. 100% works well too, but it's boring. Bola, stun knife+SS and they are dead without using Omni. Granted it's not cut and dry like that, but it tends to work very well. Or I bola, stun+SS and the team just rapes them. The problem I find with going straight crit and weapon damage is that I'm very energy hungry and mana potions just aren't cutting it. I also am a big initiator and rely on bola more then my aa or even my ulti. Going crit for me I find my self at the pool very often just to fill up my energy again. That's one reason I find going INT Boros so appealing. As well as I was tinkering in test mode, I forgot how to make an obelisk appear but I was putting out heavy spell damage to the creeps and ultras. Yes don't say it I know they can't calculate your dmage to well but it gave me a general idea of what I could potentially be putting out for bolas and spell damage with as. Then using omni to clean up. That's just my opinion though. But I can't say crit Boros is ok, but it's very strong and can easily rape shadow 1v1 even though people say he's still op, but I think shade is finally balanced well.

 

[NeVeRWiN]

I've been stubborn in a way admittedly because I guess I figured wasting a slot on anything but crit or weapon damage was wasting his abilties. But I realize just impact dial alone can add distance and spell damage on my bola as well as even giving me extra in my mana pool. So it's time I switch up my Boros. Even if I stayed crit it seems dial alone can be a big 1 up on my playing style.

 

@Dev if I rushed gravity and started with 2 machetes is that really enough to be feeding on creeps? It seems like dps would be to slow to sufficiently feed on creeps? Maybe I'm wrong just curious about that question.

 

@Indo what about starting with culling and rushing to lethal barn instead? Lethal barn early is great for feeding and would allow me to get an ihan faster? Im not sure which is better for creeping for Boros if it's lightning and ihan, or culling into barb? Any thoughts from anyone on early feeding using lethal barb vs. Lightning rod? I feel with lethal barb and culling you'd get extra mins and some dps to start pushing for the greater int items and then selling lethal to finish an item once your leveled sufficiently to feed on your own.

 

@Dav I like your idea of dos/int. After you rushed edge what would your next item be once you have 2c machette, and the grav? What other items would you use on a dps/int Boros?

[Indo]

B stating it will help increase the % of bolas landed.

LB might be a good item if you have problems placing your bolas... but it decreases your dmg output. It helps escaping or hunting someone or to dodge stuff and is far to cheap in my opinion but I'd say no its not making the % of bolas you hit higher but the ones where you actually see the enemie what is not the case in some cases

[Moo]

 

LB might be a good item if you have problems placing your bolas... but it decreases your dmg output. It helps escaping or hunting someone or to dodge stuff and is far to cheap in my opinion but I'd say no its not making the % of bolas you hit higher but the ones where you actually see the enemie what is not the case in some cases

The uses of lockbox are endless. It makes your bola undodgeable If you practice the timing, interrupts skills, dodges skills, lets you survive for the duration even in the middle of their team, lets you one hit a person even if there is another hero near them with omni because you just lockbox one of them and omni the other, it gives you energy sustain, int for bola, ss, and passive damage, you can stop the enemy initiator (drake, micro, jackson, boros, zeratool) from initiating by lockboxing them, you can save a teammate from something about to kill them (raynor you aren't close enough to block). There are even more than that, but I think my list is decently extensive.

[Doom]

Eye of Narud is a hugely awesome item on Boros. EoN + Ax + Lethal Barb = dead creep wave in seconds, 0 skill needed to lasthit them all.

 

More importantly, however, it gives you hugely important scouting. Stop wasting money on all those expensive wards (only to be destroyed by the handful that got truesight to help feed off of your scrub zera/unix/rancor teammate even more effectively). Eye in enemy jungle = that shadow that just wants to go hardcore farm mode for the next half hour, then backdoor, is gonna rq after getting repeatedly getting SS>Omni'd to death by a boros he never sees coming. (Warning, he might just report you to blizzard for map hacking, who then will not do shap, ensuring that you rape more noob shadows before getting bored and moving over to a different game) And no more of that "I'm just gonna bola blindly where I think they are based on the vector of their direction when I last saw them, combined with the time it takes them to get there" nonsense. boiies, with EoN, you SEE where they are. Same applies to that dick maar that sits at the top of ramps and spams waves like nobody's business. He ain't fooling nobody. LB bola his noob ass from the low ground and pluck him till he rqs. Speaking of LB. LB all dem nubs. Ain't nobody got time for skillshots. If they want to have skillshots, they should not have picked boros, they should have picked .... eh.... a different game raynor.

[MarXX]

boros bola is good only up to midgame. then the lag starts..... INT boros is finished.

[GENLORDZ]

To be honest, I find Misuari's int boros which I copied from very viable. Start with impact dial, then into phantom menace and then yamato, then gravity edge, nitrogen and Cerebro, change impact dial for warp shard. I improvised this from Misuari. Phantom menace ez gank run with impact dial, ez bola. If game does lag, just bola random

[GENLORDZ]

LB might be a good item if you have problems placing your bolas... but it decreases your dmg output. It helps escaping or hunting someone or to dodge stuff and is far to cheap in my opinion but I'd say no its not making the % of bolas you hit higher but the ones where you actually see the enemie what is not the case in some cases

Doubt that lol, today I met a int boros that tried to go LB boros, everytime she tried to lb and bola me, she mistimes it and then bolas the air. However, it is good for running and ganking

[Dav]

@Dav I like your idea of dos/int. After you rushed edge what would your next item be once you have 2c machette, and the grav? What other items would you use on a dps/int Boros?

 

Well, it's kinda different tbh. But I like to go for Shinobi. Then I grab either khali or Symphonic Seed. I always grab Symphonic lategame anyways because of the Unique/Int/Cdr. You wanna spam that bola bro! :D. You will be surprised how you actually kill full dps boros on the other team with no problems. You just hit Q and then pop ulti. The shield deals ALOT of dmg when you get some int. And still you got khali shinobi and another item of your choice that boost the dps. I really prefer hybrid boros. The shield/bola deals so much damage and you can still kill all support/carries with your ulti. Matter of fact, if pull them with bola, their health are already so screwd so you will kill them really quick :d

[NoWaterJustIce]

Tbh all heros can and should be built pure int, boros is no different.

 

 

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[Jaysi]

If you were to go Int Boros, I would argue just buying Khali Blade would single-handedly increase your damage output during Ulti more than any other single item( I guess depending on resistances though...). So going Int/CD build with a Khali would be good, but a mid to late game item. I don't think you can go wrong with Khali on Nova or Boros.

[NeVeRWiN]

Eye of Narud is a hugely awesome item on Boros. EoN + Ax + Lethal Barb = dead creep wave in seconds, 0 skill needed to lasthit them all.

 

I agree Doom however I feel that's a lot of money invested early if your primarily going Int on Boros with some dps sustain. I'd do just the EoN because the map awareness you afore mentioned is great. But the lethal barb money could be spent towards an impact dial imo. But I'd say khali is the one dps item as mentioned by Jaysi to improve dps with your int. But I think EoN into impact then followed by gravity edge to augment your spell and bola which in turn helps utilize the impact dial better imo. Then phantom I think would be better. I'd rather have some map awareness early and able to utilize your bola early on more. Then building into a nitrogen for health sustain then yamato I think would be better. But I might skip the phantom mentace because you get some move speed off of the gravity edge.

 

I would think lethal barb going into impact dial then gravity edge would suit early farming better as well as early utilization of bola via the impact followed by gavity edge. You lose map awareness but gain early farm. Once gravity edge is acquired you can sell barb and start into lightning rod finishing up your cerebro. You'll have mana pool, increase in spell damage as well as added distance in your bola with move speed. With those 4 items I think bola will be a lot more lethal. Or even sell barb to buy a EoN for map awareness to use your bola better. Now you have vision on unsciuted areas move speed and some good spell damage to go with your bola and spell storm with omni to use as clean up duties as needed. I have yet to try out this idea but will tonight.