MOTHER Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 Seriously, stuns and true damage, you can't get away from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 Ban him like you would do with micro. Spell AoE cant kill spectres 80% of the time. They have high hp, spell resist and regen. they dont die like old tosh after 1 minute, so it doesnt require skill at all You can buy rod and hammer for almost nothing an he will tank the shap out of you but he will deal a lot of damage anyway Tosh and Toxi are making me mad because how powerful they are. they can tank, and deal a lot of damage But hey jessika seems thar Dustin's rockets were too powerful, because, you know, hp is expensive and int cheap. Everyone agree how powerful is toxi or micro in ih but its better to nerf dustin or give leo 5% more hp in sense of the weak or 15 more agi scaling on zera backstab... In other words, useless changes to feel they are balancing properly Legacy, SCVGoodToGo, MOTHER and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasyD Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 Shadowmourne my friend. Same with Grunty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOTHER Posted May 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 Shadowmourne costs almost 5000, and is pointless on a support INT hero but even I were to farm it as per your suggestion, it would take a long time to get it. Tosh can dominate early and mid game when you can't afford something like shadowmourne. His skillset is absurd tbh and his specters like residente said are too tanky. I would've made a topic like this sooner but I don't really face that many Tosh players in pubs but today I realized just how effed up he is to deal with. DPS heroes shouldn't be dominating the early game, he's like toxi on steroids! Is it me or does every hero in AoS have summons, AoE, CCs and not just INT support heroes? It feels messy sometimes and it's kinda getting to me. What's the point of having a team if almost every hero can solo. This is a different topic though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 INT heros need love and they are nerfed. I don't care about MAAR tho, that piece of shap. It's absurd how much hp you can get almost for nothing. As I said, with LR and Hammer you can get more than 700 extra hp and still get other stats such as damage, weapon speed, lightnings and slows,, so heroes like Toxi and Tosh, with a nightmare skillset can rape you anyway, tanking everyflobingthing Doom, heimdallr, Hitechgunner and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOTHER Posted May 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 Indeed. After the last month of discussion on game balance, some of the changes made or lack of changes made in the new patch made me reconsider if the developers' have a grasp on what's wrong with the game's balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinesashi Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 Yep I was doing tons of damage of Zera with almost 4k HP. GG NO RE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doxthefox Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 Dustin anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaghett Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 Lane with or play a ranged dps, deny him his spectres early by denying him creeps, make sure you last hit as much as you can, harass him till you get an early gank on him, use teamwork to set him back early andhooe he doesnt go jungle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOTHER Posted May 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 That pretty much applies to every hero in a way. Teamwork can counter any hero but that doesn't excuse giving a single hero the skill set that allows him to become flobing Rambo. Insane DPS, AoE, Summons, True Damage, tankiness etc. all in one hero. Doesn't sound right and I'm yet to figure out the drawback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuparu Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 I think, in general, AGI heroes need less health scaling and less early game damage. :/ heimdallr and Hubert 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaper Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 he isn't all that bad...... He can't leech while using his ulti and shrapnel isn't to bad against him any hero with are spell dam kills his specs most of the time paradox can help and if ur playing pubs why are u playing int? Or even support you can shap in pubs as a support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaper Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 for some reason I can't edit on my phone Damn brick phone! Anyways I ment to say you can't do shap in pubs playing as a support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 Choose ranged hero. Build 2 quantam spades. Deny everything. Last hit if you can. Should be easy, no spectres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smuma Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 Choose ranged hero. Build 2 quantam spades. Deny everything. Last hit if you can. Should be easy, no spectres. first dont you know the easy lane wich has 2 creep spots? second dont you know the hard lane wich has 1 save creep spot? third dont you know the middle lane wich has 2 save creep spots ? anyway if you are going to a lane lets say bot, only kill the firebat and his bros or the thor and his bros or even the 2 firebat and the tank and their bros? its fking easy to get spectres even in pubs: every idiot is autoattacking and dont even know whats denieing... why do you think tosh e deal that fking much dmg in a big area...maybe for gettng spectres ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 Or you know, dont even nerf him. Just play with the fact that most people cant play tosh well, and the select few do amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EterNity Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 It is the item that is overpowered. Lighting Rod, FoE give health AND weapon damage which should not happen. Just bad item design in general and I've reported this many times to Redhydra :/ MOTHER and residente 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 It is the item that is overpowered. Lighting Rod, FoE give health AND weapon damage which should not happen. Just bad item design in general and I've reported this many times to Redhydra :/ I agree with you, but I just would say that the prizes are terribly wrong. In this game is TOO EASY to get Health for almost nothing. You can appreciate it every IH, LR and Pulse hammer on the AGI carry, he still carries but he also tanks. What the hell? God you just pay 475 for 180 damned health, 800 for 280 +gold per second, 1050 for 430 health, come on. Then to get 42 shapty INT who will add 20-40 spell damage to your spells you have to pay 1850 But retards will still say: HEY COW IS OP I DIE SO FAST Legacy, MOTHER and heimdallr 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANARCHY Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 ^^ completely agree with you both items that give HP for casters are; 1. nitrogen which is kinda comparable to pulse hammer 2........ 3........ i mean FFS shrink ray has attack speed and procs on AA not spell damage... hmm i guess it would also be too hard to have a movement style item for a caster too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhaleTits Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 2... ihan 3... symphonic 4... dst 5... yamato and for movement yamato impact lockbox grav hell, even silver soul. and phantom occasionally (maar, dustin, raynor, loooong ranged poke. looking at u...) mynhauzen and Smuma 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 Make specters squishier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EterNity Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 Make specters squishier. They were squishier untill Redhydra decided that specters should be able to kill Aeon themselves. Legacy, John, Reaper and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doxthefox Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 They were squishier untill Redhydra decided that specters should be able to kill Aeon themselves. How much damage do you need to one shot them now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 How much damage do you need to one shot them now? You cant with Cow's Q max lvl and Echo Matrix max lvl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaper Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 You cant with Cow's Q max lvl and Echo Matrix max lvl f ucking hell are you serious thats absurd why are they that buff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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