Darksteel titan OP

[KDawgKilla]

Well lately ive been including dst in my build for many different toons and out of anything DST is the best item for the cheapest when it comes to slow items.

 

For only 2800 DST offers 400 hp, 7 armor, 4 HP regen and unique of attackers movement speed is slowed by 50%.

thats crazy, and usually my second item. If you note the Unique it not only obviously procs when someone auto attacks you but also when someone damages you in any way.

 

for 3800, 1000 more than DST nitrogen retrofit provides 550 hp, only 150 hp more and 65 int along with unique of spell damage slows movement by 25%

 

then for 3900 FOE gives 700hp, 30str, 20 weapon damage and unique 20% attacked target slowed by 20%

 

so say you play a caster like.. raynor for example. you only need to buy one 2800 item to slow any attacker by 50%.

but on the flip side the attacker has to buy both FOE for 3900 and Nitrogen for 3800 just to sustain any kind of attack on the raynor.

imo dst is OP for any squishy caster, tank or even maybe some DPS like Leo.

[jamescossey]

I never realized if it slowed when you took spell damage ill have to check into that but either way it would not be op, seeing that this item provides no offensive advantages it isn't op for slowing someone by 50% for attacking you. unlike spell buffer which gives you movement speed. or artifact which reduces enemy attack speed just by being close to them. in fact unless you get attacked this item isn't even worth the cost. when fighting heroes like shadow and drapa this item alone will not save you. if shadow is max attack speed and you have this item, artifact and electric mantle, you can no escape shadows stepping strikes and vortex. when vs drapa specially using FOE and time spliter he will slow you more then 50% when his clip procs as well as when u do start gaining distance he just has to use his jump. vespus build I use actually combines FOE and time spliter. those and his E will make it so you cant escape. LZ Q makes him immune to that effect for a short time same with balrog W. cain can kill you before his Q breaks if your not a tank. zera can planar or use his ulti. nova can use sprint and ulti you. truthfully im finding it hard except for early game for this item to let a hero like raynor get away. and even early game a hero like raynor can be killed by shadow and drapa faster then you could escape. for a hero with an escape ability this would make them stay alive for a long time. vergil for great example. they attack you and get slowed by 50% for 3 seconds then you blink giving you a large amount of distance.

 

I think DTS should go back to how it was before they changed it to how it is now. it use to slow movement and attack speed when an enemy attacked you. but some ppl thought DTS with artifact combined was way to op vs AA heroes and we all know AA heroes have to stay on top any thing to stop that is to op.

[DavidChan]

get that item and poor bio aint killing shap unless they go int.

[MOTHER]

I only ever buy this to deal with biotron, and not any biotron, a good biotron.

[residente]

I buy it always on Rory (thanks Doom): let them attack you, easy land molo, rebounder, ultimate, run. And also against Leo, like Jessika said, only against good Leos. I never thought of buying it against Bio, stupid of me.

[heimdallr]

I don´t think its OP at all...yes it is cheap and all, but as game progresses its effectiveness decreases....still really good choice depending on team composition to get EARLY (so its good that it cheap) for certain enemy heroes that would towerdive early or that wouldnt allow you to push a lane for fear of being chased. For later game the unique is coutnerable, specially in teamfights. If i remember correctly silences will stop item activation things too.

 

Leaving the unique aside, the stats it gives though efficient in terms of the item cost, aren´t that good for late game so it becomes more of an item slot for the unique

 

If it were so OP as some suggest, everyone would get it....and theres a reason not to, just like other items (like khoral vanguard) where you have to balance the fact that youll eventually sell it to buy something better so you balance "is the unique worth half the cost of the item in minerals that I will permanently lose?" For those situations that justify it (when you will end up feeding a Leo a lot for example or to help you escape vespus slow of death) then the cost is definitely worth it...if not, you may just die 2 times and save for a real endgame gear

[KDawgKilla]

well yeah at some point on some end games DST loses its benefit. but for 2800 you use it throughout the whole game. and saves you 3-8 times maybe more.. that becomes priceless. also it does counter alot of toons, such as. drake trying to marty you. bio ulting you, any carry auto attacking you, a micro who has slimed you in attempt to throw you.. this is expecially effective with MAAR. and why i use it till late game. you couple DST with nitrogen and chasing toons is redic. just pop up destruction aura and keep sapping. they try to attack back and they are slowed worse then vespus' auto attacks with FOE nitrogen and his E. this works with any character that has aoe spell damage.

[heimdallr]

well yeah at some point on some end games DST loses its benefit. but for 2800 you use it throughout the whole game. and saves you 3-8 times maybe more.. that becomes priceless. also it does counter alot of toons, such as. drake trying to marty you. bio ulting you, any carry auto attacking you, a micro who has slimed you in attempt to throw you.. this is expecially effective with MAAR. and why i use it till late game. you couple DST with nitrogen and chasing toons is redic. just pop up destruction aura and keep sapping. they try to attack back and they are slowed worse then vespus' auto attacks with FOE nitrogen and his E. this works with any character that has aoe spell damage.

 

only until theyget enough gear...mover speed, silence, stun, pull, etc...if the purpose of the item is to save you....why would the game always be a quick draw contest fest? its ok for an item to save you some times you know...thats like "hey masamune is OP cause it allows to kill so fast" ....duh....

 

u´ll sure arge that its a late game item....well then consider lifetech nanosuit.. you get it early , cheap, saves you a lot against spellcasters for minimal price and the more life you gain the more you benefit from the ult so it ESCALATES into late game...is it OP cause it kinda counters spellbased characters early game? or is it only on DST cause it is against the carry aa click godlike farming on pubs? lol...dst has soooo many counters....specially with a teammate u know...if you cant pull stun slow just get a partner to do so...the support characters and builds are called like that cause you know....they support...

 

if you get a hammer you dont need nitro....just ask your frienly egon that got it to use his Q for 8 seconds slow...bang...how about initiating with jackson? dst becomes useless instantly...jakk minefield? try to run through that with dst....even with no nitro on jakk itll slow you to a nails pace...

 

team game is a teamgame...even if you really get hardcounteres like as you say, maar with nitro and DST...theres ALWAYS something you can do if you relly on your team...surprise flanking? btw....if any character gets DST as first item it fails cause it gives no main stat....as a second item? ok, but it still sacrifices damage potential...if you really must play AOE solo on pubs and you really hate dst, simply buy it yourself or dont kill the ones with dst...I bet almost noone got that item....theres always more ppl that do all dps and you can farmfest on them lol try new strats...for just about every item combination theres your own skills and item combinations you can try

[Nuparu]

get that item and poor bio aint killing shap unless they go int.

>sees this item

 

>gets sunflare gun and gravity within 10 minutes

 

Gotta love bio's farm capability lol

[Itsthatguy]

get that item and poor bio aint killing shap unless they go int.

:D

[Doom]

When you get this item against a hero that has slows on attack the chase looks something like this:

 

 

 

 

 

On another note, always get this on justicar.

[KDawgKilla]

only until theyget enough gear...mover speed, silence, stun, pull, etc...if the purpose of the item is to save you....why would the game always be a quick draw contest fest? its ok for an item to save you some times you know...thats like "hey masamune is OP cause it allows to kill so fast" ....duh....

 

u´ll sure arge that its a late game item....well then consider lifetech nanosuit.. you get it early , cheap, saves you a lot against spellcasters for minimal price and the more life you gain the more you benefit from the ult so it ESCALATES into late game...is it OP cause it kinda counters spellbased characters early game? or is it only on DST cause it is against the carry aa click godlike farming on pubs? lol...dst has soooo many counters....specially with a teammate u know...if you cant pull stun slow just get a partner to do so...the support characters and builds are called like that cause you know....they support...

 

if you get a hammer you dont need nitro....just ask your frienly egon that got it to use his Q for 8 seconds slow...bang...how about initiating with jackson? dst becomes useless instantly...jakk minefield? try to run through that with dst....even with no nitro on jakk itll slow you to a nails pace...

 

team game is a teamgame...even if you really get hardcounteres like as you say, maar with nitro and DST...theres ALWAYS something you can do if you relly on your team...surprise flanking? btw....if any character gets DST as first item it fails cause it gives no main stat....as a second item? ok, but it still sacrifices damage potential...if you really must play AOE solo on pubs and you really hate dst, simply buy it yourself or dont kill the ones with dst...I bet almost noone got that item....theres always more ppl that do all dps and you can farmfest on them lol try new strats...for just about every item combination theres your own skills and item combinations you can try

yes but you are saying just because you can get silenced that it makes it obsolite. say if you are drake and initiating in a team play scenario. the DST will slow each and every toon that attacks you in any way. that right there. makes the item worth it. and anyways that egon that casted his skill on you. now is slowed for 50% for the duration. i think that is a fair traid off for his 25% movement slow with nitrogen. each and every point you are trying to make isnt really valid. in reality DST provides the most utility for the least amount of price which IMO makes it OP wheither it is an endgame item or not.

[ESQtanya]

I thought DST only slowed enemies that auto attack you.

[EterNity]

It's a good item that pub players often missed. However, it's classified as mid game item and is only effective for certain hero.

[Adversary]

It only slows on auto attack. You think it slows on any attack because most often people try to auto attack you right after/before their spells to get the most damage, or the game automatically makes their hero auto attack you.

[KDawgKilla]

I really think that it slows if they attack you in any way. but hey prove me wrong

[Adamantium]

This is also good, but not OP against people that like to AA chase you with a FoE Ex: Toxi, Cain, Kerrigan. Either that or buy a shadowmourne for over double the price.

[KDawgKilla]

This is also good, but not OP against people that like to AA chase you with a FoE Ex: Toxi, Cain, Kerrigan. Either that or buy a shadowmourne for over double the price.

well actually it is superior vs toons who have FOE or slow skills. because FOE slows by 20% on auto attack and DST slows by 50% when attacked, thats more than double the slow going onto the attacker and leaving those who dont have FOE/ slow in the dust

[Doom]

If you have an item slot, this item is just phenomenal on any of the below:

 

Justicar

Jackson

Drake

Rory

Mule

Queen

Voltron

Erekul

 

 

Or pretty much any hero that people will try to kite, or any hero that you can be chassing, then have them turn the tables around and kill you instead.

[MOTHER]

On Queen + banelings it is indeed phenomenal. No squishy AA will chase you again.

 

I'd only support making this item more expensive if it gave stats or cdr as well. Otherwise, it's a really good item as is.