BHM almost always stronger than Star Fury

[Doom]

Well, in theory, these items are for two different roles, one for burst aa, one for burst spellcaster. However, BHM is almost as good as Star Fury on almost all casters. Why? Because almost all casters are int based, so building int not only increases their spell damage, but also their weapon damage.

 

Take 100 extra int on an int hero, for example. With star fury it is simply 100 spell damage. With BHM, it is 50 (weapon damage) * 1.5 = 75 damage. So, essentially, BHM scales with only 25% less int than star fury. So how much int is it realistic to get? For a pure glass cannon build, 600 can be done. That is 600 spell damage from Star Fury, 450 from BHM, FROM JUST THE INT ALONE. In order for BHM to be equal to star fury, in the scenario that is most favorable for star fury, the hero in question needs only 100 weapon damage that does not come from int. Sunflare gun gives 40. Gravity Edge gives 20. Most heroes can easily start with 70+ with talents.

 

Essentially, this means that a int hero will usually be better off buying BHM than Star Fury, even if they are stacking int, especially if they have less than 400 int at the time.

 

I think this is the moment where everyone is going to mention stats. Ok, yeah, 15 cdr, 250 energy, 30% weapon speed and 10 extra int instead of 50 extra agility seems like a good deal. But energy is never a problem for current spellcasters, especially if they have enough int to warrant a star fury. 10 int is almost nothing. Weapon speed is slightly greater, but you miss out on the very useful armor. The extra 15% CDR is a good point, but it's not a big enough deal to lose sleep over.

 

That leaves us with just one group of heroes that may benefit more from star fury than BHM. The pseudo-int heroes, or heroes commonly build for int, though it is not their main attribute. So, Rancor, Vergil, Vorpal, Cow, Queen, Lurker. Except that most of these will hardly ever attack and other than Cow, Brine, and Rancor, a BHM/Star Fury proc is not worth the item slot. Rancor can get a lot of AA from agility, and while BHM is not the better of the two on him, you will probably not notice a big difference. Cow can be build around capacitive clip, so BHM is not always worse than Star Fury, though I admit it is usually worse. For brine, Star Fury will indeed be always better.

 

Am I the only person that finds this somewhat wrong? I mean BHM is way better on AA heroes, but Star Fury is only slightly better on casters, and not even on all of them...... I'd take BHM over Star Fury 9 times out of 10, and I feel that anyone that did the math would agree.

[MarXX]

for me its whether i need agility OR CDR and weapon speed.

 

how about stars fury on egon????

[CapricorN]

And what would be your suggestions? Nerf BHM or buff Star fury? Or maybe rework completly?

[Indo]

15% cd or~100spelldmg more per usage is not that much of a difference. It really depends on your hero, cyprus goes way better with fury for example.

[ANARCHY]

you should buff stars fury with a unique of reduces CD by 3 sec every time it procs, this then makes it a lot more viable for casters (most casters have enough int to do dmg but they are normally a 1 shot trick with a massive CD)

[Itsthatguy]

Starfury grants +30% Weapon Speed and +30 AGI which is more Attack Speed. It also grants +15% Cooldown Reduction. It grants +30 INT which will grant more damage to the unique itself [which blackhole won't to INT]. In addition, there are Casters that aren't really INT heroes.

 

Rancor

Vergil

Penthos

Assuming you go INT with those heroes.

[Spooky]

Thats true, that for INT heroes both items are quite even if u looking on damage output. Especially for Raynor as he has nice heroic passive which scales better with BHM. BHM is better with Levi buff too. However for other INT heroes, like Cyprus, Jakk, Maar and so on, I would get Star's Fury over BHM. Mainly because its cheaper, gives more weapon speed and cooldown reduction, which is always nice to have on casters. Difference in armor isn't very big, 40 AGI is about 5 armor while casters can't tank physical damage anyway. Once u get caught out of position u are dead and additional 5 armor wouldn't change it.

For any other casters which aren't INT heroes, Star's Fury is always better. Especially for INT built Cow.

[Doom]

There are not many non-int casters. So, yes, there are 3 heroes that are much better with star fury. Everyone else is just making the choice based on stats, and not unique. And people primarily buy these items for the unique, not the stats, which are mediocre by themselves. Yes, the stats are slightly better suited for casters on Star Fury. That's not my point. My point it, "Why is an item centered around AA heroes on par with an item for casters, when it held by a caster?"

[NoWaterJustIce]

There are not many non-int casters. So, yes, there are 3 heroes that are much better with star fury. Everyone else is just making the choice based on stats, and not unique. And people primarily buy these items for the unique, not the stats, which are mediocre by themselves. Yes, the stats are slightly better suited for casters on Star Fury. That's not my point. My point it, "Why is an item centered around AA heroes on par with an item for casters, when it held by a caster?"

 

Solution, Nerf BHM :D

[Phyresis]

Make only agi give wep damage pls :D

[Frozensoul]

I prefer star fury to BHM on tassadar

[MOTHER]

I've been experimenting with Star's Fury on Queen for its CDR and when it's combined with CoA which is another core item on Queen for me, the results are very interesting. By the end of this build I usually end up with about 400 int, with star's fury that's a nice damage boost as well as 50% weapon speed. Anyone who chases or gets close, will get a dose of banelings followed by star's fury almost always. With nitro and FoE, the enemies are slowed as well. So it's a nice item when used in conjunction with others.

[Furystorm]

15% cdr is very nice stat, much better than some extra dmg on caster.

[Doom]

Tell that to the people that never buy int consumable until fully maxed.