sTeveN Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 so after the shrink ray buff, erekul w + shrink reduce 100% of enemies' wpn dmg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooky Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 When u see the sentence 'Decrease by X%' it always involving current value, not original one. So never u would be able to decrease sth by 100% Eliwan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takeray Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 on Thor it reduces from 40 dmg to 0,5 dmg. Atleast on tooltip, don't know on real neither other players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeeeend Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Seems i just have to annoy some pubs results in +-30 min Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letherl Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 When u see the sentence 'Decrease by X%' it always involving current value, not original one. So never u would be able to decrease sth by 100% Well maybe not if you have 300 weapon damage, but ive been able to reduce caster and tank damage to negative like -20 damage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mus Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Shrink ray: Reduce weapon damage by 35% Erekul's w: Reduce weapon damage by 60% The combined effect of these would be to reduce the target's weapon damage by 100(1-0.65*0.4)% = 74% Reaper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marche Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Shrink ray: Reduce weapon damage by 35% Erekul's w: Reduce weapon damage by 60% The combined effect of these would be to reduce the target's weapon damage by 100(1-0.65*0.4)% = 74% He is referring to the fact that Shrink Ray was buffed to 40% (patch v1.93) so he assumed it would be 100%, but did not factor in diminishing returns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeeeend Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Edit tooltip darpa says 0.5 aswell testing some more then watching replay to see if tooltip matches up to dmg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeeeend Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Confirmed erecoollvl 7 (lvl 4 W -60% weapondmg) + shrinkray(-40%weapondmg) vs vorpal with 6 galactic defenders (loads of weapondmg and slow animation) Result 0.5 dmg each hit Its a big one you just see erecool and vorpal fighting... Note time and 0% leach from vorpal (just talent) and part 2 see the lack of dmg on erecool part whilst vorpal has clearly attacked him (time and another 0% leach) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sTeveN Posted March 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 So... erekul should be the best dps since he shuts down all other dpses xD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sTeveN Posted March 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 He is referring to the fact that Shrink Ray was buffed to 40% (patch v1.93) so he assumed it would be 100%, but did not factor in diminishing returns. In previous versions, it's proved that Shrink Ray stacks perfectly with erekul's W, it's easy to reduce a late game nova to <10 weapon damage. It has no diminishing returns i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooky Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Lol, so its broken. May I ask how it would stack with Vergil passive as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mus Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 All of these things should stack via diminishing returns. If they are not then something has gone wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Lol, so its broken. May I ask how it would stack with Vergil passive as well? The hero would have negative damage there fore he would do damage to himself instead :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooky Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 I wouldn't be surprised if this way u can reach negative weapon damage and instead taking life u would give some :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sTeveN Posted March 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Lifesteal would be a bad thing since u are stealing negative hp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeeeend Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Lifesteal would be a bad thing since u are stealing negative hp Wont happen its capped at 0.5 tested it with ere w shrinkray and vergil's w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyght Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 inb4 eliwan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaldi Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 autoban shrink ray in inhouses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeeeend Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 autoban shrink ray in inhouses! Like shrinkray is used >1% of the total ih games ! Just ban the combo like shard/dial bola was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzaiguy Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Like shrinkray is used >1% of the total ih games ! Just ban the combo like shard/dial bola was I'm sure shrink ray would be much more widely used if they simply made it actually shrink the enemy hero's size. People would get it just for that effect alone. Eliwan, NoWaterJustIce, Rem and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeeeend Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 I'm sure shrink ray would be much more widely used if they simply made it actually shrink the enemy hero's size. People would get it just for that effect alone. I would... I would raise all those zergs as pets. Tiny drake, tiny balrog, tiny micro, tiny alpa, tiny infestor. I'd also like to fight them against a big ® micro because thats just who I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EterNity Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 Shhhhh I thought this is a well-known fact for us to troll pub LOL It's best when two Erekul both have shrink Ray and the fight just go on forever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sTeveN Posted March 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 Shhhhh I thought this is a well-known fact for us to troll pub LOL It's best when two Erekul both have shrink Ray and the fight just go on forever! pyre kicks in and owns both erekools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midknight Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 I would... I would raise all those zergs as pets. Tiny drake, tiny balrog, tiny micro, tiny alpa, tiny infestor. I'd also like to fight them against a big ® micro because thats just who I am. Unix uses Brain Sap. It's super effective! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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