BestZeratul Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Hugz was casting our game. Soed team said they 3 in spec spots or they not casting.I had lags doom also so minimizing amount of ppl in lobby was a right decision for my team and it helped. I could actually play.... I'm sorry but I have to explain the situation so that everyone understands what happened and has a clear view of the situation. We casted the first game, no one had lags besides Doom and Shard during the game (which means our connections did NOT slow the game at all at any given point). Doom had -fps lag, which he said happens every game for him (he said he had around 4-5 less fps when we tri-casted and that it was totally playable). Shard only complained about lag after he got teamwiped and the game was basically over at that point. Since no other person lagged there is no question about internet issues on our end, so there is simply no way we could have made you lag. We pointed that out a million times in the lobby and you refused to play even though you completely made up that lag story so we would not cast. If you had any latency issue it was your own connection. You almost made african and people from your own team rage quit the tournament because of your behavior, and disrespected both the casters and the viewers of the stream. I never had any problems with you before this even though you clearly didn't get along with shab and soed, but you really disappointed me there and I won't play with you again. edit : I know we are not supposed to discuss moderation but I don't give a damn so I'm going to put it out here, shab and shard argued in mumble after the games and african banned both of them because they were going over the top (a decision I totally support). After that Red made some adjustments and shab is perma-banned from mumble while Shard is free to join mumble even though his behavior is a big factor in African leaving the game after this tournament, this is complete bullshap and needs to be fixed asap Revolution, Climax, BestPlayer and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Bad Luck Shablagoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shard Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 I'm sorry but I have to explain the situation so that everyone understands what happened and has a clear view of the situation. We casted the first game, no one had lags besides Doom and Shard during the game (which means our connections did NOT slow the game at all at any given point). Doom had -fps lag, which he said happens every game for him (he said he had around 4-5 less fps when we tri-casted and that it was totally playable). Shard only complained about lag after he got teamwiped and the game was basically over at that point. Since no other person lagged there is no question about internet issues on our end, so there is simply no way we could have made you lag. We pointed that out a million times in the lobby and you refused to play even though you completely made up that lag story so we would not cast. If you had any latency issue it was your own connection. You almost made african and people from your own team rage quit the tournament because of your behavior, and disrespected both the casters and the viewers of the stream. I never had any problems with you before this even though you clearly didn't get along with shab and soed, but you really disappointed me there and I won't play with you again. edit : I know we are not supposed to discuss moderation but I don't give a damn so I'm going to put it out here, shab and shard argued in mumble after the games and african banned both of them because they were going over the top (a decision I totally support). After that Red made some adjustments and shab is perma-banned from mumble while Shard is free to join mumble even though his behavior is a big factor in African leaving the game after this tournament, this is complete bullshap and needs to be fixed asap Whatever you say.... he get banned i think couse he said in chat im son of polish whore.... I still got screen shot at home. I can show later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestZeratul Posted February 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 It's not like talking to the mod in question (which is coincidently admnistrator on both the forums and mumble, and has final word on any moderation decision) is gonna help. I understand the rules very well and you can split this thread into 2 specific ones to discuss this issue but really how is sending a pm going to change anything here ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestPlayer Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Bad Luck Shablagoo You really should speak up about the situation. You see shard perpetuating his lies, you know he is lying, and you were a member of his team. Why do you just say "Bad luk Shab"? Hawe you no spine? Shard is totally out of line, but you're not kalling him out on it like you should. Eweryone in the game should. Shard should be banned from EU inhouse by the players. He should be unwelkome. I am not talking mumble ban or mumble moderation, but how the players should reakt. Band together and punish sush insane behawiour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzaiguy Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 I think you should make a thread addressing this issue couse its not subject of this one. I'd rather not have a forum thread on this issue. I can sorta predict how it's gonna end. But since this appears to be somewhat of an internal issue in the EU community, it'd probably be best to discuss it on Starcraft or Mumble anyway, as you'd get opinions from the other members who rarely or never browse the forums. Edit: Ah wow, sure got ninjaed good. NoWaterJustIce 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestPlayer Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 I'd rather not have a forum thread on this issue. I can sorta predict how it's gonna end. But since this appears to be somewhat of an internal issue in the EU community, it'd probably be best to discuss it on Starcraft or Mumble anyway, as you'd get opinions from the other members who rarely or never browse the forums. Would be the best, yeah. One team (John+Skrubs) all made their opinions known to eweryone in EU, while Shards team hawe only done it in PMs or ingame 1on1 shat - so it seems like there is a "diskussion" when there isn't. Eweryone agrees on it, Shard just refuses to see reason, and he needs to be sewerely punished regardless. He has played in two tournaments - ragequit the first one, and utterly ruined the sekond one, indirektly kausing the organiser to leawe the kommunity. Why on earth he is allowed to do this is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shard Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Funny that he was posting on forum that you make him not want to host tournament. Yes he was angry at me and after the match he joined our chanell and after we talked we was cool again and we apologized each other. I dont know if he left community I guess he take a break like after last tournament but saying that I was the cause is not fair I think. I heared others was complaning to african also about other things. I think it was great actually only this one think in second match of semifinals we had an argue. too much adrenaline i guess ... If he don't want me in next tournament I'm not gonna question his decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestZeratul Posted February 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 It isn't only about you and him. You disrespected the casters, the viewers and all the players in the lobby who were raging at you (this is very close to everyone in the lobby). The only reason African gave you what you want is not because of the so called lag you had (because the 13 players in the lobby knew you were making that up), but because he couldn't really give his own team a default win as he was playing this game. If he hadn't been playing you would have been forced to play with us as streamers or it would have been a default loss for your team. You need to realize that you pissed off everyone involved in that game, including the viewers, and this comedy went on for one entire hour, which is really baffling given your history in previous tournaments. Hitechgunner and Climax 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestPlayer Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 How dare you akkuse me of kausing it? You are a piese of work, and I really, really hope you get banned. From the forums, from mumble, I hope you get shunned by the kommunity. You are the worst person I hawe kome akross in my years of sotis/aos, inkluding sush iluminaries like Mayserg and TSTGiga. I don't want to get banned, and that is the only reason I'm not kalling you ewery name in the book right now. You would deserwe ewery single insult if I did, though, and I kan only wish EU kommunity grows a dik and sprouts some balls and shoose to eksklude you - mods obwiously aren't doing anything at all. Zeus and Hitechgunner 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWaterJustIce Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 I realize this needs to be discussed and it is a messy subject but try to keep it as clean as possible. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shard Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 I told african go ahead and cast game by soed but decress amount of slots on specs to 1 and you said no we not gonna cast if there are 3 of us in specs spots. Thats not helpfull by you at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogwarts Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 i dont play with shard as much as some of the EU guys but in my experience he is a extremely un friendly player and i dont think there has been a single game where he wasnt being bm towards other players i go smoke! Climax, Diipadaapa, Hitechgunner and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestPlayer Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 You're just digging your own grawe. Want me to tell eweryone what you were doing? What you were saying? Usually you're the one flaming me on mumble and on the forums, and I take the high-road and newer get personal and quote from other media. To be noted to eweryone is obwiously that KASTERS WERE ALLOWED, and YOU WERE TOLD. But get this, eweryone, Shard then proseeded to make demands/klaims sush as: They kan stream, but only if they don't talk Only 1 spektater allowed per stream They are ghosting for Afrikans teams They are bad kasters(and thus shouldn't stream) soedenone doesn't know shap about streaming and shouldn't be streaming Not to mention his main argument: I was making him lag personally, and therefore kouldn't stream. Just him, nobody else. Something that is literally impossible. I mean I kould go on. Shard you are totally and utterly dewoid of reason, and, as I said, I really hope you get banned. You deserwe it. i dont play with shard as much as some of the EU guys but in my experience he is a extremely un friendly player and i dont think there has been a single game where he wasnt being bm towards other players i go smoke! Yeah, no kidding. He embodies and is symptomatik of ewerything that is wrong with mumble. Climax and Hitechgunner 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shard Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 I dont know from where you get this but I was not saying such a things I dont even know what ghosting mean. I told him that you was not objective in your cast and I dont want you to stream and african said sure dont worry. Then he changed his mind couse was no other casters online (thats what he told me) and I said go ahead . First game of semifinals u was casting and we couldnt play in teamfigths due to lag and on second game i told african plz 1 spec spot only I didnt care no longer that you casting but this lag was killin me so you refused to cast it by yourself and hugz took your spot simple as that. you can blame yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestPlayer Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) You're a liar. I hawe nothing more to say to you. Anyone interested, as I will most likely be punished for writing what I just did, kan watsh the wods of my stream, in whish ewerything I klaim abowe is prowen. Too bad I'm not an handful and ask my ko-kasters and anyone present to keep all sort of bm and flaming out of my stream. Only thing you will see is Shard and his absolutely insane behawiour. Before the first game of finals, Shard ruining the kommunity More of Shard ruining kommunity, before we ewentually stream first game, being what I would konsider entirely unbiased. Watsh and judge for yourself. Last klip is me, shab and shob waiting around, seeing if we stream or not - we don't, and this pathetik moron ends up getting his way Besides what I bolded abowe, in my prewious post, inkluded in the klips you will see both teams(Shards own team one of them, of kourse) disagreeing with him, and two members of his team apologising and wishing to forfeit the game as they don't want to play after his insanely stupid aktions. You will also see Afrikan attempting to reason with Shard time, after time, after time, after time. In the end anyone watshing kan draw their own konklusions, but the final result ingame was that nobody inwolwed disagreed with Shard being a huge total shapbag, and it is my personal opinion that he kannot possibly be banned fast enough. Let's look at Shards tournament history: First partisipation... Ragequit. Sekond partisipation... Ruins kommunity, ends up kausing organiser to leawe kommunity inkluded. Why in the flying fuk HAS NO AKTION BEEN TAKEN?=????? FUK Edited February 25, 2013 by Quistmann TungVu, Zeus and Climax 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestZeratul Posted February 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Bad Luck Shablagoo I urge you and all of the people involved in this comedy to man the flob up and speak up, the only reason why Shard gets away with everything he does in this community is because of your silence on the matter. It makes it look like it's an argument between soed and shard when in reality it was 12 people raging at shard because he was being completely unreasonable. BestPlayer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestPlayer Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 I urge you and all of the people involved in this comedy to man the flob up and speak up, the only reason why Shard gets away with everything he does in this community is because of your silence on the matter. It makes it look like it's an argument between soed and shard when in reality it was 12 people raging at shard because he was being completely unreasonable. Yeah. That pretty mush sums it up. If you rekall, that was my main point of komplaint in the "Mumble Attitude" thread I made. Nobody speaks up, nobody has any spine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeeeend Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Before the first game of finals, Shard ruining the kommunity Just watched this one but I dont see or hear shard saying anything. So posting this vid is worthless its just the reactions of players on shard. I'm going to watch the other 2 now. Also can you use your stream keyboard if your posting of forums since the lack of c and v is annoying to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shard Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 I lie? When I told him that that I want 1 spec in last semifinals game he said he talked to you and you refused to cast by yourself for some reason. Shablagoo and chob could watch your cast and comment also on mumble. Cant see what was the problem of yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doxthefox Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 This shard guy is worst than crni and theluxe? dam that's the worst insult I've ever heard on these forums. I already figured out why people don't have a spine a long time ago. You see, they sit in a chair all day and insult each other while playing this game so there really is no need to use their spine to stand up for anything. Also, as always the secondary issue is people think they're always right and never assume responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestPlayer Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Just watched this one but I dont see or hear shard saying anything. So posting this vid is worthless its just the reactions of players on shard. I'm going to watch the other 2 now. Also can you use your stream keyboard if your posting of forums since the lack of c and v is annoying to read. Ah yeah, I hawe shard muted in the first klip - it shouldn't be the kase in the later wods. I hope I hawen't skrewed up my own "ewidense" seeing as so far nobody else from the lobby(Aside from shob, who you may konsider an unreliable witness) hawe spoken up here on the forums, although you kan klearly see how the players of both teams reakt ingame - their opinions are hardly sekret, they are just not written here on the forums. Oh, and I don't hawe a "stream keyboard" I hawe an eksternal keyboard that I use when I kan; now is sadly not one of those opportunities. Again, howewer, I must stress how ewident the reaktions of the people ingame are. You guys know Eesti/Diipa/Afrikan, not to mention JustBooom(Who is sadly also muted on stream) and Residente, hardly ewer rage. They don't get upset or display anger like what they do in this wideo. Afrikan is gone from kommunity and won't respond, Diipa doesn't use forums often and Eesti also said to hawe left now, so they most likely won't be here to support my kase - but you kan see their wiews klear as day in the klips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shard Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Well. I admit that I was pissed there. But it not changing anything because african convinced me that is the right decision for you to cast and there would be no drama if you just agreed to stay alone for second game and cast on mumble with shablagoo and chob. You shouldnt put so much wood into the fire. for my last words here Im gonna say that you should consider that I was actually in the semi finals games and there was lots of pressure and adrenaline and we tryed to do best performance possible. Haters gonna hate but I think I made myself clear and I never called anyone son of a whore like shablagoo did. I'm in many occasions said bad things to ppl during the inh like you useless or you so flobing bad.... and I always regret that ( especially when I play with ppl i never played before ) and I apologized many ppl cause I'm not thinking clearly during the competitive game. I always put my passion and I fight sometimes when I shouldn't. I guess its my nature. I got many friends on mumble and I will play with them for sure so kicking me from all inhause game is kinda unrealistic. I wish you all the best anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diipadaapa Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guyban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy ban this guy Revolution, Climax, Hitechgunner and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuZ Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 LOL.. At some point raging is normal and most of us know Shard when he is too excited... But doesn't mean is always like this.. When I first know him I really don't like Shard.. After some time he change he was a cool guy.. And he still.. Anyway.. Is just my point.. And if I make IH.. I will inv Shard.. If others don't like are free to leave.. And since all have rights to play this game.. Is always been like this.. If you don't like someone in the party or lobby game.. Is better leave.. :p Ohh most important of this.. If people apologise after this.. That's a good point.. Anyway all we rage a bit.. And I think more in competitive games.. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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