Medic should auto'd in tourney? yes no?

[Revolution]

So we all know of the controversy of medic being un-autobanned in the tournament coming up. Many players feel that her skill set is simply to powerful because of the survivability and utility it brings to her team. Others feel that she shouldn't be auto'd simply because she received recent nerfs.

 

Arguments why medic should be auto'd:

- To much sustainability in lane, while being able to push harder than most heroes.

- Able to swing team fights completely in her favor by preventing the death of a key target on her team.

- Along with preventing a key player from dying, she can heal them for a ridiculous amount, while debuffing them.

- Her optic flare can make lockbox non-existent if placed on the enemy player who has it.

- She does not need that much INT to fulfill her role. This allows her to get luxury items for her team such as shrapnel, taser, coat of arms ect.

 

Counter arguments to medic being OP are using taser and or lockbox.

- Taser is a strong counter to every hero so this is not justifiable.

- While lockbox is a soft counter to her ult it does not counter the rest of her kit and there are counters to lockbox as well.

 

So hopefully if the majority vote that she should be auto'd then African will re implement the auto ban on her for the tournament.

[zeeeend]

We´re all gentlemen home team should ban her first ban. If you encounter some team without gentlemen just ban her as awayteam problem """"fixed""""

[NoWaterJustIce]

So we all know of the controversy of medic being un-autobanned in the tournament coming up. Many players feel that her skill set is simply to powerful because of the survivability and utility it brings to her team. Others feel that she shouldn't be auto'd simply because she received recent nerfs.

 

Arguments why medic should be auto'd:

- To much sustainability in lane, while being able to push harder than most heroes.

-While her sustain is good, forcing her to use her heal more than 1-2 times in lane will deplete her energy forcing her to either be worthless or go back to pool.

-With the removal of her forked auto attack she cant continuously hold or push a lane without running out of energy quickly.

- Able to swing team fights completely in her favor by preventing the death of a key target on her team.

-Many heros can swing fights in their teams favor and they can do it every team fight. Her ulti has a ridicules cd meaning early and mid game it only gest used once every few engagements.

- Along with preventing a key player from dying, she can heal them for a ridiculous amount, while debuffing them.

-Medic is only as good as the heros she is keeping alive. Medic really shines when somone else on her team gets fed. Also she cant debuff anyone.

- Her optic flare can make lockbox non-existent if placed on the enemy player who has it.

- She does not need that much INT to fulfill her role. This allows her to get luxury items for her team such as shrapnel, taser, coat of arms ect.

-So can many other heros, Rory being the first that comes to mind

 

Counter arguments to medic being OP are using taser and or lockbox.

- Taser is a strong counter to every hero so this is not justifiable.

- While lockbox is a soft counter to her ult it does not counter the rest of her kit and there are counters to lockbox as well.

-medic is very weak early game and is extremely energy hungry. Medic can only do good if somone else does good first.

-Medic can only competently save 1 person a teamfight, the use of aoe(she cant heal everyone) and or killing the medic are options.

-Any form of cc render her ult useless

-Actually thinking about when you use your spells so you dont have your entire team nuke a targetright as medic ulties

-Baiting and ulti and then retreating only to engage right after, medic with her ult down is fairly weak(because we are compensating for her strong ult)

 

So hopefully if the majority vote that she should be auto'd then African will re implement the auto ban on her for the tournament.

 

It is obvious that you have never really played medic or even seen her played much or you would know most of this. And i cant blame you for not knowing because nobody will even try to play against medic as it is much easier to autoban something that is annoying that to try and figure out how to play against it.

[Revolution]

It is obvious that you have never really played medic or even seen her played much or you would know most of this. And i cant blame you for not knowing because nobody will even try to play against medic as it is much easier to autoban something that is annoying that to try and figure out how to play against it.

 

I played medic the most out of everyone when she was first released.. My first game with her I beat illusions drake mid and tripled his cs. I have not played her at all with the nerfs she has received, but as i've been saying it isn't just the power of her skills, it is the utility they all bring together.

 

Start pendant, get both energy talents and you should be fine the first couple levels and once you start building up your ihan your energy problems will be less and less.

 

Her forked auto attack was not the only reason why she was good at pushing a lane. Just 1 E tips the balance of the creep waves in her favor. It can screw up last hitting and pushes the wave rather well.

 

Having a medic on your team and not waiting for her ult to be up to engage is your teams fault. If the enemy engages on you while her ult is down then chances are one of their ults might be down as well and her QWE skills still bring a lot of utility to a fight. A strong heal, an aoe blind and shields. Yes and the other heroes that can swing teamfights in their favor are ones like mandrake who have an aoe stun.. She can do it by just making her carry not die.

 

I completely disagree with this. You are acting like her only useful spells are her heal and ult. Blinding a nova means nova is doing 0 damage, which is great. In no way does she need a good team to be good. Also i just checked the changelogs and there hasn't been anything about her Q not debuffing anymore. So i'm going to assume it is still on there.

 

Rory does not have a very defined role seeing as he can do many things. 2 out of 4 of his skills can be countered with parallax, his stun you just have to move away from your allies and stevie you just have to kite away from. His tent is rather small and you have to be clumped up in it for it to have any benefit. Rory's kit is for killing, which is not what Geneva's kit is for.

 

Again medic is not bad by herself which is what you are stating. Almost every hero is mana hungry early game. Medic allows others to do good as well.

 

Yes she can save 1-2 players a team fight, which is more than anyone else honestly. Egon's heals are over time so they take time to build up. AoE is in every team fight so of course its going to be an option because almost every hero has an aoe skill. Medic should be in the back of her team so she cannot be killed. If the medic has good positioning it should be a suicide mission to kill her.

 

False. Her ultimate allows a target that would normally die to not die. Even if this target is CC'd she can still heal them, shield them and blind the enemies vision.

 

You never know when she is going to ult. Saving all your skills in the beginning of the team fight will lose you the team fight. If you are saving your burst till after the geneva ult that may never come, while the enemy team is using everything on you then you will out right lose the team fight.

 

Trying to bait an ult from Geneva will require an enemy key target to be out of position or for your team to fully engage on the enemy team. If you attempt to disengage halfway through the fight you will lose. And even without her ult her QWE is still strong you are seriously underplaying the rest of her kit.

 

Either you don't realize medics full potential or you don't want to realize it because its one of your favorite heroes. Its not that she is annoying, its that she brings more utility to her team than any other hero in AoS. On top of all the sustain, survivability and utility she has she can also counter push against heroes that are really only useful for pushing. She is so obviously broken.

[Hogwarts]

this is silly, people who arnt even playing in the tourney are voting just to vote / troll

[Revolution]

this is silly, people who arnt even playing in the tourney are voting just to vote / troll

 

and most of them are pub players who have no idea how strong medic is.

[Hogwarts]

and most of them are pub players who have no idea how strong medic is.

 

yup

 

but as it stand 4 tourney members are for auto banned and 3 are against auto ban i think

[Peas]

I voted no, and I sincerely hope my vote counts for at least 2.

 

Lets be honest here gentlemen, until heroes like Unix, Shadow, Boros, Dustin, Shadow, Zeratul, and all strength heroes are either removed from the game or auto banned permanently, it makes no sense to QQ ALL DAY LIKE A BUNCH OF BABIES over an unequivocally inferior hero.

 

l2p

[CrazySoldier]

sup peas

[jamescossey]

you try and make the medic sound op, but infact the queen does the job of the medic but better. medic has single target strong heal, queen area heal just as strong as medics but with a hp regen. medic has an ulti that can save someone from damage for almost 3 seconds. queen has a mass stun that also does damage. queen can out push the medic and does more damage. the only better thing that the medic has that the queen does not is her heal gives ms and her flare slows for 2 seconds. nitrogen retrofit queen has it now too.

[WhitetrasH]

OMFG... here comes the gawd syndrome again... yay pubs are idiots & IH rule the world with thier massive brains & elephant sized testicals!

 

Why the hell have a tourney if (to me anyway) you guys are playing against the same players/heros over & over anyway? Oh yes, thats right... because you want to show your so called skill against public players? Wow... you must be so pro. /rage

 

It seems to me like any hero that is going to make some team comps less viable is to be removed from the tourney *cough*medic*cough*. After the nerf to medic, there are a lot more heros that can deal with her with alot more ease than before... yes she's got a good set of SUPPORT skills but as peas mentioned, you might as well remove those heros to, cause they perform thier roles well too. I was going to join the tourney as a sub for a team (yes i've already been asked) but after seeing this thread it's pointless because of one of my main reasons for not IH'ing... which is that i will be playing against the same heros that i played against 3 months ago & prior to that in an IH(es). OH JOY... THE FUN & CHALLANGES ARE... SIMPLY WOW!

 

You guys have fun now...

[Reaper]

what happend to the good ol counter *team work*

[Hogwarts]

OMFG... here comes the gawd syndrome again... yay pubs are idiots & IH rule the world with thier massive brains & elephant sized testicals!

 

Why the hell have a tourney if (to me anyway) you guys are playing against the same players/heros over & over anyway? Oh yes, thats right... because you want to show your so called skill against public players? Wow... you must be so pro. /rage

 

It seems to me like any hero that is going to make some team comps less viable is to be removed from the tourney *cough*medic*cough*. After the nerf to medic, there are a lot more heros that can deal with her with alot more ease than before... yes she's got a good set of SUPPORT skills but as peas mentioned, you might as well remove those heros to, cause they perform thier roles well too. I was going to join the tourney as a sub for a team (yes i've already been asked) but after seeing this thread it's pointless because of one of my main reasons for not IH'ing... which is that i will be playing against the same heros that i played against 3 months ago & prior to that in an IH(es). OH JOY... THE FUN & CHALLANGES ARE... SIMPLY WOW!

 

You guys have fun now...

 

on average a mumbler "ih player" is not better then a pub player imo, But as a team IH completely dominates pubs, Pubs do not know what team work is or how to build there heroes for support, they all build greedy looking for that "god like" on every hero they play

 

This is why medic is less of a problem in pubs then in IH, She is a support hero and she is to good at her role of being a support

[jamescossey]

reaper ppl always say team work but when it comes down too it the only heros that the so called pros want are the ones that pull and toss. no actual support heros.

[Banzaiguy]

Remember when people used to only autoban 1-2 ridiculously OP heroes like 5.0 MAAR and learnt to find counters or adapt their playstyle to the others? Then they realized that maybe they weren't that OP after all.

[WhitetrasH]

on average a mumbler "ih player" is not better then a pub player imo, But as a team IH completely dominates pubs, Pubs do not know what team work is or how to build there heroes for support, they all build greedy looking for that "god like" on every hero they play

 

This is why medic is less of a problem in pubs then in IH, She is a support hero and she is to good at her role of being a support

I'm a pub player & you're right... not one game that i've played in the past 1,5 years in a pub setting has ever shown any sort of team work... we all just stand there staring at a wall with absolutelly no comprehension of what we're doing at all for a whole hour... now thats what you call fun.

[jamescossey]

the only heros that i find to be op, and its not really till late game when you got all your items. is boros, between his ulti and his invinsible shield(lol). zera vs a team with no tank. he can bubble 3 heros and kill them before time is up. and an early feed cypus is op all game long

[Revolution]

OMFG... here comes the gawd syndrome again... yay pubs are idiots & IH rule the world with thier massive brains & elephant sized testicals!

 

Why the hell have a tourney if (to me anyway) you guys are playing against the same players/heros over & over anyway? Oh yes, thats right... because you want to show your so called skill against public players? Wow... you must be so pro. /rage

 

It seems to me like any hero that is going to make some team comps less viable is to be removed from the tourney *cough*medic*cough*. After the nerf to medic, there are a lot more heros that can deal with her with alot more ease than before... yes she's got a good set of SUPPORT skills but as peas mentioned, you might as well remove those heros to, cause they perform thier roles well too. I was going to join the tourney as a sub for a team (yes i've already been asked) but after seeing this thread it's pointless because of one of my main reasons for not IH'ing... which is that i will be playing against the same heros that i played against 3 months ago & prior to that in an IH(es). OH JOY... THE FUN & CHALLANGES ARE... SIMPLY WOW!

 

You guys have fun now...

 

Cool I'm glad you know how to put words into peoples mouths. Medic is strong in a team setting, which is not present in pubs whether you think it is or not. Very few games will there be any kind of 5v5 team fights or 5 man pushing. The tournament is held to have some activity in this community and for people that want to prove themselves and earn a decent prize. No one forced anyone to join the tournament and it is in no way set up to "show our skills against public players."

 

/sigh Medic does not make a team comp less viable. Her skill set brings to much utility to teamfights. Yes I forgot her nerfs allowed all heroes to counter invulnerability, burst heal and a shield on top of being blinded. And if you would have read my posts on medic instead of raging like a <fluffy bunny> maybe you would have read that she does to much in team fights, she's a lot better than many heroes in team fights utility wise and there is not a team comp that she doesn't fit in. Here how about we delete all the heroes and make completely new ones so that we can satisfy your need to play against different heroes :) maybe then you'll grace us with your presence again! You literally might be <a fluffy bunny>.

 

@jamesalot

 

Are you kidding me? Medic is 10x better than queen in a team fight. Queens ultra barely does any damage late game, Medic can very easily hold a lane against her and medics damage is almost guaranteed to hit unlike queen who needs creep for her banelings and ultra to even catch someone.

 

And since you know so much of what we want I'll tell you that us "pros" have been asking ecko for more support heroes. It gets tiring how pub players think they know everything that happens on mumble. Ya know like attitude, balance changes and what we request in terms of items and heroes. Seriously you guys are clueless.

Edited February 20, 2013 by Midknight
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[CheekyKunt]

you try and make the medic sound op, but infact the queen does the job of the medic but better. medic has single target strong heal, queen area heal just as strong as medics but with a hp regen. medic has an ulti that can save someone from damage for almost 3 seconds. queen has a mass stun that also does damage. queen can out push the medic and does more damage. the only better thing that the medic has that the queen does not is her heal gives ms and her flare slows for 2 seconds. nitrogen retrofit queen has it now too.

i don't think u understand

-medic can give shield (similar to heal)

-medic can blind (similar to stun)

-medic can do it all without stacking int

[IMBrew]

Clearly not and unban egon so drafting and banning will be equal.

[Yaldi]

Clearly not and unban egon so drafting and banning will be equal.

 

egon is auto banned because he causes alot of lag, allegedly, which is reasonable. so unbanning him wouldn't be that useful since he won't be picked...

[WhitetrasH]

Cool I'm glad you know how to put words into peoples mouths. Medic is strong in a team setting, which is not present in pubs whether you think it is or not. Very few games will there be any kind of 5v5 team fights or 5 man pushing. The tournament is held to have some activity in this community and for people that want to prove themselves and earn a decent prize. No one forced anyone to join the tournament and it is in no way set up to "show our skills against public players."

 

/sigh Medic does not make a team comp less viable. Her skill set brings to much utility to teamfights. Yes I forgot her nerfs allowed all heroes to counter invulnerability, burst heal and a shield on top of being blinded. And if you would have read my posts on medic instead of raging like a retarded child maybe you would have read that she does to much in team fights, she's a lot better than many heroes in team fights utility wise and there is not a team comp that she doesn't fit in. Here how about we delete all the heroes and make completely new ones so that we can satisfy your need to play against different heroes :) maybe then you'll grace us with your presence again! You literally might be retarded.

 

@jamesalot

 

Are you kidding me? Medic is 10x better than queen in a team fight. Queens ultra barely does any damage late game, Medic can very easily hold a lane against her and medics damage is almost guaranteed to hit unlike queen who needs creep for her banelings and ultra to even catch someone.

 

And since you know so much of what we want I'll tell you that us "pros" have been asking ecko for more support heroes. It gets tiring how pub players think they know everything that happens on mumble. Ya know like attitude, balance changes and what we request in terms of items and heroes. Seriously you guys are clueless.

nice... name calling & the obvious "i am way better than you, you & everyone else must obviously be shap" attitude. Sadly, you're proving my point right there for you seem to be devoid of common sense or logic... it never dawns on you that it's called being sarcastic or must i slap you with a huge sign that screams sarcasm? but i'll leave it be... cause arguing is like arguing with a 6 year old... sure they understand what you're saying... or do they? /SARCASM

 

"The tournament is held to have some activity in this community and for people that want to prove themselves and earn a decent prize." - I laught for a good 2 seconds on this one... "decent prizes", good one*! I won better prizes in my college years playing Q3 against an even smaller group of ppl... & i'm not even talking about 1v1.

 

Why egon (Yaldi gave a valid point) is banned is beyond me, he too is simply doing what his role entales... SUPPORT... but because they excel at it they are auto'd. As mentioned before, then shadow, zera, nova, micro, drake, rancor, raynor should be auto'd too, cause they too excel at thier roles. I can understand SS & justicar... SS is buggy as shap & justicar for me anyways is to new & still needs to be balanced a bit more.

 

It seems to me like any hero that makes games more challanging is to be removed from the selection process. Anyway, I will leave you to your game & your tourney & your "prizes"... Goodluck to all & hf!

 

*I'm sorry... i'm sorry about laughing at the prizes, i'm sure who ever is contributing is doing so with good intentions (it's not the size of the gift but the thought that counts.), atleast there are prizes! /sincere

Edited February 20, 2013 by WhitetrasH

[IMBrew]

egon is auto banned because he causes alot of lag, allegedly, which is reasonable. so unbanning him wouldn't be that useful since he won't be picked...

I think some people need better connections and computers and thats coming from russia.

[Yaldi]

 

I think some people need better connections and computers and thats coming from russia.

 

Yeah i have my problems as people know but egon strangely isn't one of them

 

@whitetrash why are you even posting here?

[jamescossey]

@Revolution

 

obviously you dont pay attention but i have been a mumble alot and played IH games with ppl on there too. i just havent been on lately cause my mic broke and I'm to broke to buy another right now. before its said i dont buy those cheap $15 dollar head pieces i buy the $80 ones.