Psyght Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 So I've been trolling pubs lately, with a very fun brine build, I do have to give props to Itsthatguy for showing me the starting of this build. So I start off with a Durans Pendant, this helps get rid of your mana problems and really allows you to abuse pull early game.: Now here is where the super troll starts, and before I begin i wanna say that this has never been tested anywhere but public games, so I dont know if this would work against really skilled teams. but the next item is a phantom menace, this really gets your movement speed going and with the recent buff to it, you can really get some insane pulls. no picture? now I get silver soul, to add to the fact that your already flying around the map, now you can really fly with your W and the silver soul proc. and now you have 2 options, i usually lean to the latter, but they are both good ways to go. option one, if your going agianst a team with a lot of spell damage, and you need to get tankier, I get spell buffer, and of course, we get this for the movement speed first ;) now we move onto my a bit more favored option, which is gravity edge, this really allows you to start getting some major damage with your ult, and of course....the movement speed :p by now your fast as shap, and can pull across half a lane with no problem, so if you want to call it quits and start building damage or tank, you can. but i dont :) now I usually go for yamato, since it is the most usefull item left that can still give you a boost to your movement speed. it really really comes in handy :P and last but not least, I like to get parallax cause your always in the teams face, its easy to get focused down with CC and stuns so ya. well have fun guys, let me know if theres any way i can troll harder with brine :) Lettow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzaiguy Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 It's not troll enough if you get the non-movespeed items. Ideally you'll be so fast that tankiness is obsolete since they can't catch you. Get the major speed boost items first, so you'll have an easier time earning money when you get tons of assists from dragging people across half the map to your allies. Also, people would've rqed after you get half your items, so it's better to aim for more movespeed first for maximum trolling. Silver soul, phantom menace, Yamato, shinobi style, sliptide scythe and arcbound is probably the highest speed build you can probably get. There is a somewhat viable version of brine speed build in in houses that involves parallax and warp shard, but it takes awhile for you to get high speed since you've swapped speed items for those. Just time your blink with parallax's debuff immunity, grab an enemy and rush out with high movespeed(haste helps quite abit) before the immunity wears off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyght Posted February 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 It's not troll enough if you get the non-movespeed items. Ideally you'll be so fast that tankiness is obsolete since they can't catch you. Get the major speed boost items first, so you'll have an easier time earning money when you get tons of assists from dragging people across half the map to your allies. Also, people would've rqed after you get half your items, so it's better to aim for more movespeed first for maximum trolling. Silver soul, phantom menace, Yamato, shinobi style, sliptide scythe and arcbound is probably the highest speed build you can probably get. There is a somewhat viable version of brine speed build in in houses that involves parallax and warp shard, but it takes awhile for you to get high speed since you've swapped speed items for those. Just time your blink with parallax's debuff immunity, grab an enemy and rush out with high movespeed(haste helps quite abit) before the immunity wears off. ya I just usually dont have a team in pubs, so i have to get some tankiness cause i get abandoned so often, but overall. your fast as shap lol. and nobody can hit you with anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 without dial not funny enough Destroyer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamescossey Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 having all speed isnt good enough, i did a similar build with brine and was doing just fine till reaper got time spliter and FOE. with those and his clip i got slowed down to 1 speed and couldnt get away. the bs part of it all when u cast your pull if reaper jumpes at the right time your pull goes on cd and gliches now u gotta wait for your only defense vs reaper to come back. and about the dial it has a decent cd where if you build speed its always going. you can get to a constant 5 speed and then when u u se your W and silver soul you will be at 7 speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyght Posted February 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 you can pull someone just as far without dial when you get 7+ move speed lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzaiguy Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Yea, you probably move faster than dial's with super movespeed brine. But james is right, slows are really powerful against speed builds. Even a Nitrogen slow is enough to cut your effectiveness drastically. Good news is, due to pubs' slow reaction time and lack of truesight, you can get the drop on them and get out of range before they can slow you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyght Posted February 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 As i said before, this is a pub troll build... lol just letting you know how to troll some pubs :) add in a kitty in the mix, GG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itsthatguy Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Usually tho i actually get 1) Pendant First 2) Impact Dial 3) Warp Shard 4) Phantom Menace 5) Silver Soul 6) Paradox 7) Sell Pendant for Gravity // Spell Buffer 8) Spell Buffer // Gravity [sell Impact 9) Small Hadron Collider 10) Yamato Reactor Then you have 1) Phantom Menace 2) Silver Soul 3) Gravity 4) Spell Buffer 5) Small Hadron 6) Yamato :D In addition you need Swiftness and Zeal Buff. Ally Leo also helps :D With hadron you can engage and run super easily if you get hit by slows // stuns :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heimdallr Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 I just tried some variants of this on pubs....NOPE....the only times it really made a difference was with good teammate...it was waay to focusable....this may change dpending on temwork of course, but I`d rather have SHC tele in, plug, run back and dial myself...makes sure u get there instantly and makes sure u pull there at leas the dial distance and FAST...this allows for 4 more items that could make you tankier....ok ok ok I`ll grant the spell buffer for a slot, cause its sexy movement, spell resist, aura effect and solves regen problems and energy problems you might have other way I`ve tried brine is the following: dial, SHC, SHM, Nitro, FoE, Electric the items themselves allow you to tank a lot of damage AND they serve for a different kind of TROLLING tele stun in, pull back + dial...shm + nitro slows enemy and you continue to chace him usiung your Q(more spell slow damage) and auto attack (with FoE it slows)...enemy cant really escape by himself, and when the cc is zero you can pull enemy again.....rinse and repeat...electric is not there instead of buffer as a spell resist item cause it makes cd`s faster, gives life and weapon damage for you, and sometimes when the enemy realizes he has trouble to escape he might decide to aa you....LOOOOL....so SHC, electric and your pull.....thats 3 stuns....the nitro gives 25% slow and Foe cant remember how much....but thats roughly half movement speed no a snails pace... and if it turns into a war of attrition remember that shc and dial eventially will reset the cooldown so if it takes long and someone manages to help him escape you can just tele back and pull dial again it doesnt offer much movement ina passive way, but its better for pulling and not dying while ensuring no enemy withpout a tele mechanism can escape you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TunaLite Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Omg epic build. Just went 15-2-19 in a pub. I ended up getting Mesamune at the end and I was up to like 9ish MS. It was epic. I think the success all depends on if your team can capitalize on your pulls and obvi what chars the other team has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzaiguy Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Nah, it's quite possible to win by yourself solely with hit and runs. After you isolate an enemy you can just dance around him spewing Q and dragging him even more when E cools down. Most people generally panic after being dragged 20 range and don't fight back. Itsthatguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamescossey Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 like banzaiguy said it is possible to be a great killer when u can gank ppl 1v1. depending on what u are vs you can take on 2 and kill at least one before the other one decides to run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heimdallr Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 maybe I did something wrong then? maybe I need to have more squishy characters on enemy team for it to work? I mainly have tanks against me and long range casters that I don`t seem to catch even with ridiculous speeds :( someone help me I wanna make this build work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzaiguy Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 maybe I did something wrong then? maybe I need to have more squishy characters on enemy team for it to work? I mainly have tanks against me and long range casters that I don`t seem to catch even with ridiculous speeds :( someone help me I wanna make this build work! What kind of pubs are you playing where people don't build glass cannon AA heroes? :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 What kind of pubs are you playing where people don't build glass cannon AA heroes? :( Well, in EU i've seen shadows with DST, and spell buffer. If they have burst casters everyone rush shinobi, agressor and FoE, ive also seen darpas with shm and dst. glass cannons are old fashioned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamescossey Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 maybe I did something wrong then? maybe I need to have more squishy characters on enemy team for it to work? I mainly have tanks against me and long range casters that I don`t seem to catch even with ridiculous speeds :( someone help me I wanna make this build work! when i build speed brine i make sure to get gravity edge. but with ur Q you will drop someone 10% hp more if they dont spell resist because it also has a base damage. and ur R does a large amount of damge as well. but when i build him for talents. 0/3/3. health, hp regen, movement. energy regen, movement energy. and for skills i get one point into his heal and one into his drag. then max out his resistance, grab ulti when i can. but vs a player make sure to us ur R to get close, cast Q then drag them way back away from safety. at that point auto attack for ulti. keep up with them as they run away when Q and ur drag is up use it again. most heros unless stacking ms dont run that fast so u can pull them further then they can run before your drag cd is back up. hence they will never make it back unless thier team comes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heimdallr Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 when i build speed brine i make sure to get gravity edge. but with ur Q you will drop someone 10% hp more if they dont spell resist because it also has a base damage. and ur R does a large amount of damge as well. but when i build him for talents. 0/3/3. health, hp regen, movement. energy regen, movement energy. and for skills i get one point into his heal and one into his drag. then max out his resistance, grab ulti when i can. but vs a player make sure to us ur R to get close, cast Q then drag them way back away from safety. at that point auto attack for ulti. keep up with them as they run away when Q and ur drag is up use it again. most heros unless stacking ms dont run that fast so u can pull them further then they can run before your drag cd is back up. hence they will never make it back unless thier team comes. thx for the tips....ill try doing the q for the resists while pulling....dunno why i never do that also, my main proble is once everyone has detect or is covered by someone elses detect I cant get close with R...thats when I feel like this build has problems....I cant kill someone smart that can see me so I´m stack on a vicious circle where to kill them like you say I need to get rid of their truesight bearers....and to do that I must find another way to kill them....keep in mind this is pubs where I often find myself having zero teamwork so I want solutions that dont rely too much on teammates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamescossey Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 the only other solution heimdallr is to get a warpshard. just before u warp use ur heal so ur passive resist is up and your movement speed. warp grab one and start pulling. this way they wont be able to stop you from getting close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyght Posted February 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 This build is all about speed dude, once they see you, its too late man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heimdallr Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 I had some luck with warpshard but they see me from far away and they are already running....though Ill get more practice at warping from over a cliff o from behind bushes....that + speed seems to do the trick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzaiguy Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Try using R before you warp shard. They won't he able to see you coming closer to blink until you jump within range of their detection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaper Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Try using R before you warp shard. They won't he able to see you coming closer to blink until you jump within range of their detection. im pretty sure they can see the light ccoming from warp as u blink same as silver soul u can see it used underground Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimera Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 im pretty sure they can see the light ccoming from warp as u blink same as silver soul u can see it used underground Yeah this is true. In our game before the enemy Brine had a Silver Soul which gave away a lot of burrows, kinda leaves scans as an easy counter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaper Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Yeah this is true. In our game before the enemy Brine had a Silver Soul which gave away a lot of burrows, kinda leaves scans as an easy counter. yeah that game we were up agianst jamesalot and didnt egt alot of pull just because of silversoul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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