zazzn Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 So lets talk first about the hero's that can escape solace Shaddow Grunty Vorpal StarScream Darpa Micro Unix Brine Bio Usually escape solace Jackson (warpshard) and who ever else usually gets one Now this doesn't worry me much, what does is the fact that he can't catch people in the first place. Heroes that can usually out run or at least keep him away far enough so they can't get solaced in time. Many times it's not the fact that they have a base run speed over LZ's solace it's just the normal items they build for their heros. Nova Shad Summers Zergling Cow Brine Micro Darpa Grunty (water) Vorpal Rancor (close depends on talents/TPI) Now I may have forgot some, but I think we get the point. LZ's solace is MOST useful at low levels's however his overdrive doesn't give him enough movement speed to catch anyone really at level 1-2 What i'm asking for is a BUFF to his move speed on overdrive by 10-15 % so it's actually useful since all his other skills are very poor early game anyways. Solace does almost no damage along with the tenacious fury. I would LOVE to see his E giving him a little bit of spell damage per stack as well as wep speed say 5 spell dammage stacking each hit up to 4 stacks or something. I mean Brine does huge burst, Cain gets lots of spell damage, and just about every other hero has something but LZ has nothing at all early game. The items make LZ but usually by the time you get all the items you need the game is over. So lets talk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironsights Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 LZ is a solid tank with good DPS options and the ability to shrug off debuffs while running like a mad man... hes fine really. Soemtimes situational, but fine. I enjoy playing lord zyrkhan with some frequency, and have seldom found myself thinking he is underpowered. I am of the mindset 'leave well enough alone'. If they start tinkering with him, god only knows what will happen to the poor zealot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzaiguy Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 When exactly did you consider LZ fun? Since your problem is with the current solace being too easy to escape from, it'd be weird that you considered the older version of the skill more fun. The old solace, his ulti, was even more escapable with destroyable walls(immortals) and a stationary position. I could understand wanting Blinkstorm and old Overdrive back, but I think that his current immortal solace is pretty nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iatebambi Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 His skills are very well suited for his role in a team, and can be a huge benefit in the early game. But.. I do find him quite boring to play. I miss the old LZ jumping around everywhere, trapping helpless souls.. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Let's talk about Taser Revolution, JohnRipley, Misantrophy and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKyExiaLinoz Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Bring back the old blick storm and overdrive!!!! take out heart of aiur, no one get that thing at lvl 6,11.16 is always the last skill >:V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aellectris Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Oh no? A lategame hero? One of the strongest lategame heroes? Clearly needs earlygame buff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 ^^ very true, he dominates late game. Also... he does fairly good early game because he can solace into tower and watch em die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Solace does the highest base damage of any skill. Early game, let's say level 5 with lvl 3 solace, if you solace 1 enemy and there are no creeps or anything around then that target is going to take a lot of damage from solace. I do like your idea of giving his tenacious fury a small dmg buff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diipadaapa Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 MASSAMUNE ULTRA FUN LATEGAME :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aellectris Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 In case it wasn't clear from my post above, LZ is totally fine as is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Seeing as no one said anything below your post about changing LZ your post is completely irrelevant. I merely stated that I liked the idea. Never said it should be implemented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aellectris Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Seeing as no one said anything below your post about changing LZ your post is completely irrelevant. I merely stated that I liked the idea. Never said it should be implemented. Wasn't directed at you, but just making sure that people understood that my post was sarcasm. An "E" change to LZ could be interesting, and might be worthy of a test, but overall LZ is totally fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheekyKunt Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 lz is strong like allectris said, but i think he's boring compared to what he was back in sotis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliwan Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 ... It's half-intentional that LZ's W [immortal Solace] can let people go if you try and pull them out also; but I must say that his old Q/W (Overdrive, Blinkstorm) were more fun-- his current ability kit is incredibly potent and powerful as it is; I see no need to change it. Frankly I would love to see a blink added to his Ulti; actually; it would make him more fun in my opinion-- and yet it wouldn't change him too much otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitNinja Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 He's pretty boring honestly. I would say he's vorpal-tier in terms of how mechanically boring he is to play. Or micro. Then again this is a rather subjective matter. I would rework him just to make him more involving. Late-game your offensive options besides sitting there autoattacking constantly are: Misantrophy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doxthefox Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Its simple, rerelease sotis 3.0. Revolution 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buggy Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 LZ seems fine as is to me with the exception that I saw a Cain running one down while it was using lv 4 overdrive, Cain had phantom menace and masamune for run speed and appeared faster than LZ in maxed Q (could attack, catch up, attack, until LZ's overdrive expired and he died). LZ is good, but his overdrive should be faster and could be without making him unfair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Speed Z ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamescossey Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 I do agree with the fact that LZ's ring is just fine but his Q movement speed is to slow for all the items that are out there. besides spell buffer which isnt needed any more cause of items like e mantle. there is no intel or Str item with movement speed. that does need an increase to speed or a STR item with decent speed on it. great example why. masterlaw was vs me playing cain. he said he had both talents for movement speed and he had masamune. a couple times either he was attacking me or attacking an ally and i tried to fight. i started to lose and hit sprint to get away, he was able to keep up with me without fail. and by the time my sprint ran out he casted his Q or was still with me and just shot me and got me slowed. other heros like brine speed build, shadow, zera both using the agility item with the 18% speed boost on it, and nova with nothing but her sprint can all keep up with lz or even out run him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironsights Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 spellbuffer or arcbound both go pretty good on lord Z, and both grant movement speed as well as other nice effects. If you can't catch someone then counter their speed with moar speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 If anyone thinks LZ boring, strap on a Bandit's Artiface on him, and proceed to rape/troll/have fun. iatebambi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyght Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Wheres david chan, hes a boss LZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooky Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 U can get Warp Shard / SHC for yourself, so when someone jump away from solace u can jump after him. Other option is to silence the target before he can jump away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mus Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Want to have fun with lz in pub? Go wep speed + wep dmg in offense, spell resist + armour + zeal in defense and swiftness in utility. Proceed as follows: Buckler Leeching saber + STR pot Lightning rod Masamune SHC blah blah blah When you obtain the rod you should be able to run into heroes and just rape them in solace. Make sure to max E first. Zakk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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