Mumble Rules Discussion:

[KinGofDaBerG]

In light of the disatisfaction of the quality of manners on mumble and (lets face it) inh's in general and also the lack of moderation on offending parties (myself included), I have decided to write up some rules when using the AoS mumble server.

 

Mumble Rules:

 

If any of the rules stated below are not followed, you will be allocated a ban for a selected period of time depending on what rule was broken.

• #1: No flaming, constant abusive behaviour and any personal attacks are allowed in mumble. This will result in a 1 day ban from mumble (basically time for the offender to cool off)
  

If this does occur please local mute the offending party and imediately report to a moderator and let the moderator take charge. If this occurs during a inh, local mute the playerand finish the inh. Once done report to the moderator and report the player.

Note: raging at a player isn't regarded as an offense (as this is a game and mistakes happen, and people get angry), but continuing to rage at a certain player right through the game and even after is regarded abuse and you will be banned.

• #2: Coming into a channel and talking or spamming chat in the mumble channel during an inh or during an important conversation, will result in a ban of 1 day.
  

I know some people dont have a mic and need to chat in mumble to communication but to come into a channel and irritate players while playing is not on.

Note: if you need to convey a msg to a player and you are not sure if the player is inh'ing or not coming into the channel and ask are you busy, and wait for the response. do not come into the channel and start spamming players name you want to get hold of until he answers.

• #3: Playing music or any other sounds constantly while people are talking, basically irritating them, will result in you being kicked from the server, if you consantly rejoin and continue to play music or other sounds, will result in a ban of 1 day.
  

Note: yes people troll and it is funny at appropriate times, and this is allowed, but if any person in the channel finds the music offense or irritating, this will result in a kick or ban from the server.

• #4 If a player joins an channel and you and your party are discussing important or personal things, the party should kindly ask the player to move away, if he does not so, please move your party to another channel. If the player continues to follow to without giving a reason why or does give a reason but the reason is trolling, report the player and he will get a ban for 1 day.
  

• #5: Trolling and joking is allowed, but to an extent that everyone isn't getting offended by it, once a person is offended, the guilty person will be asked to stop. If he doesn't stop, report him to a mod and he will be kicked from the server. If he rejoins and continues to troll, he will be banned from the server for 1 day.
  

• #6: If you plan to go afk, please join the afk channel or you will be kicked from the server.
  

• #7: This applies to those who have mics; anyone who has a mic needs to have push-talk button assigned. If you dont do so you will be reported and local muted. If you disconnect and continue to not use push-to-talk, you will be kicked from the server. if continued abuse of not assigning the push-to-talk button, you will be banned, until proven that you have your push-to-talk button assigned and using it.
  

• #8 If you have a player on local mute, please do not play on his same team in an inh or aggrevate the person in SC2 channels. A mumble mod has no power over what happens in SC2 channels, but lets keep it civil people.
  

I just want to write a clause here, stating inh games:

 

If players are found in an inh:

1. Throwing an inh game,
    
   
2. Rage quiting an inh game (leaving before your team or the enemy team has surrender or lost = Rage Quit),
    
   
3. Deafening yourself in an inh game,
    
   
4. Or verbally abusing a player in the inh scene eg in game (in the inh) or the inh AoS lobby.
   

These actions will result in an imediate ban of 1 day.

 

 

Lastly, for players who constantly breaks the rules, the ban duration will double for each ban the offending player commits (This only occurs if the bans are frequent such as a ban every second day).

Other then that no player will have a record once getting banned, as the point of mumble is to get players to join and play AoS, not to remove them from the game completely.

 

 

Cheers,

 

If you have any questions or want to query anything above, please post them below. Any posts insulting or derailing this thread will be deleted and the user warned.

[Skydie]

1. Deafening yourself or Muting one of your team mates in game,
   

 

 

I think this is hard to regulate. How'd you know a guy has mutened/deafened his teammates. Also many people have someone muted/deafened pre-game, is this forceable unmuting/undeafening allowed by human rights?

 

 

PS: I like how you carefully listened to Mumble users and debated this for hours with the rest of the community before issueing such Naz..Nice pleasant rule for the community. All jokes aside these rules are alright, as long as they are acted on by mods fairly and favouritsm doesn't occur. The definition of trolling here is also undefined, to what extent is trolling allowed? I've heard much racism on Mumble directed at other people, no not you, yet no bans have ever been issued for that. On the other hand minor swearing has gotten people banned for 3 days. There needs to be a criteria adhered to.

 

PS II: Perhaps put a report button into Mumble. Also it'd be nice to ask Captains in Mumble to change their comment to something like: IH Please do not disturb. To tell other people that the channel has an IH team present.

[Aellectris]

@Skydie: Human rights dont' really apply here in a regulatory manner.

 

@African: Increased punishment/bantime for repeat offenders?

[KinGofDaBerG]

I think this is hard to regulate. How'd you know a guy has mutened/deafened his teammates. Also many people have someone muted/deafened pre-game, is this forceable unmuting/undeafening allowed by human rights?

 

 

PS: I like how you carefully listened to Mumble users and debated this for hours with the rest of the community before issueing such Naz..Nice pleasant rule for the community. All jokes aside these rules are alright, as long as they are acted on by mods fairly and favouritsm doesn't occur. The definition of trolling here is also undefined, to what extent is trolling allowwed? I've heard much racism on Mumble directed at other people, no not you, yet no bans have ever been issued for that. On the other hand minor swearing has gotten people banned for 3 days. There needs to be a criteria adhered to.

 

I'm hoping that if there are any rules I've missed or any rules above people will point them out. Lets not look at things that have passed, lets try move forward and have rules in place that mods can follow and issue bans. and you my friend sykie have broken many of these rules listed above.

 

Point about the the deafening or mute someone else before, during game is important as this can ruin a game for 9 other people in an inh. I have seen it happen before.

[KinGofDaBerG]

@Skydie: Human rights dont' really apply here in a regulatory manner.

 

@African: Increased punishment/bantime for repeat offenders?

 

Ah yes I forgot this I will add a clause.... thanks for reminding me :)

[IMBrew]

I think you should also ban a couple of known ragers and flamers to warn a hundred more.

[Marche]

Did you run this all by RNG and RedHydra? if not I think this topic needs to be removed immediately as to not confuse people on what proper mumble behavior is. The inhouse clause inparticular is a travesty that needs a serious rework.

 

If players are found in an inh:

1. Throwing an inh game, Literally impossible to judge you cannot hold someone responsible like that. Throwing a game does not have a concrete enough definition.
   
2. Rage quiting an inh game (leaving before your team or the enemy team has surrender or lost = Rage Quit), This is the ONLY fair rule
   
3. Deafening yourself or Muting one of your team mates in game, You cannot regulate how people choose to handle the other people on their team who are being rude or nasty happen to be teammates, the path of least conflict is to mute them or to deafen yourself. You cannot justify banning someone over this, completely unacceptable.
   
4. Or verbally abusing a player in the inh scene in the SC2 chat, AoS lobby or ingame. These are MUMBLE rules, you cannot begin to say you will regulate how people interact in game, that's just getting to the point where you are trying to control how a person interacts with their entire computer, outside of the jurisdiction of any moderator, admin, really anyone short of local law enforcement.
   

 

Edit: Emphasis on the APPROVAL AND ENDORSEMENT of the ADMIN of this forum.

[Takeray]

Though I agree some rules are always welcome and good for the community.

 

Muting a teammate can be done for a reason. If I am playing an Ih ( not a lot rly) and someone is raging and insulting me constantly I Think myself full of rights to mute him ( I don't expect to learn anything from a raging kid). And I know this is said at #1 point, but extending it a bit.

 

I hope this all decissions have been spoken with other mods and mumble admins.

[Skydie]

Ah yes I forgot this I will add a clause.... thanks for reminding me :)

 

This is unfair, as in extra time for repeat offenders. It simply increases punishment for increased playing frequency. If say 2 people have a habit of raging, if they both are banned, person A is likely to be banned more than person B if he plays more. Unfair.

 

I'm hoping that if there are any rules I've missed or any rules above people will point them out. Lets not look at things that have passed, lets try move forward and have rules in place that mods can follow and issue bans. and you my friend sykie have broken many of these rules listed above.

 

Point about the the deafening or mute someone else before, during game is important as this can ruin a game for 9 other people in an inh. I have seen it happen before.

 

Please can we keep on topic. There are allegations, totally untrue, but let's keep those away from this thread. I'm also Skydie :D

[tukeykramer]

These are pretty much the rules I have been using to moderate when I have been online (which hasn't been much lately, TBH). Nice to have it written up in a clear and understandable form.

 

However, it would be helpful to clarify the contradiction between Rule 1 and IH Rule 3. When it comes down to it, I'm not sure I agree with Rule 3, unless the deafening or muting takes place without any provocation or nastiness by teammates.

[MaximuuuS]

 

Note: raging at a player isn't regarded as an offense (as this is a game and mistakes happen, and people get angry)

 

LOL. To what extent? xD

[KinGofDaBerG]

Whoa this rules havent been implemented yet, I just feel that a system needs to be put into place, as from the post that soed made and the amounts of likes that post recieve, things need to change. The amount of requests from players that are un-happy about how they are treated in this game and on mumble in generally has been astonding.

 

Remember I'm here to discuss the rules not implement them of yet, that is why I have posted it here.

 

Now Marche

 

Did you run this all by RNG and RedHydra? if not I think this topic needs to be removed immediately as to not confuse people on what proper mumble behavior is. The inhouse clause inparticular is a travesty that needs a serious rework.

 

 

No I haven't, but neither have I implemented them, I'm here to discuss them and nothing is set in stone, the rules above are what I have witness in game.

 

 

If players are found in an inh:

1. Throwing an inh game, Literally impossible to judge you cannot hold someone responsible like that. Throwing a game does not have a concrete enough definition.
   
2. Rage quiting an inh game (leaving before your team or the enemy team has surrender or lost = Rage Quit), This is the ONLY fair rule
   
3. Deafening yourself or Muting one of your team mates in game, You cannot regulate how people choose to handle the other people on their team who are being rude or nasty happen to be teammates, the path of least conflict is to mute them or to deafen yourself. You cannot justify banning someone over this, completely unacceptable.
   
4. Or verbally abusing a player in the inh scene in the SC2 chat, AoS lobby or ingame. These are MUMBLE rules, you cannot begin to say you will regulate how people interact in game, that's just getting to the point where you are trying to control how a person interacts with their entire computer, outside of the jurisdiction of any moderator, admin, really anyone short of local law enforcement.
   

 

1. Players in game will know when a player is throwing a game. yes this will bias but this does occur and it does need to be address, I know it is hard to see and shouldnt be abused, but I guess its up to the mod to make the right call, thats what they there for

2. Ok :)

3. Deafening yourself is more of the concern as it screw communication between yourself and your teammates during game, after the game do as you please, but during an inh, this shouldnt happen, muting one of your team mates I guess is steep, I remove this1

4. all of this is regards to inh play, hmmm didnt mean to write SC2 chat as you cant do anything about that. and since all inh play involves mumble the rules should conicide. Abusing someone in game (inh) should be just as bad as screaming at them over mumble... well depending if its trolling or just having fun :)

 

Dont get me wrong here guys, I just want to improve the mod rules, for us mod and what is bannable, and since not all the mod on mumble are online always, I thought I would make a topic about it :)

[KinGofDaBerG]

LOL. To what extent? xD

 

Continue reading the rest, if the raging conintues all game long, then this is regarded as abuse... and should be dealt with, if it was just one instances where the team lost a fight and one player screams in anger and shouts at you for a brief moment, you got to let that slide.

 

Though I agree some rules are always welcome and good for the community.

 

Muting a teammate can be done for a reason. If I am playing an Ih ( not a lot rly) and someone is raging and insulting me constantly I Think myself full of rights to mute him ( I don't expect to learn anything from a raging kid). And I know this is said at #1 point, but extending it a bit.

 

I hope this all decissions have been spoken with other mods and mumble admins.

 

I havent talked to any mod yet but I was hoping to discuss it here, with them. I have adress the muting person above this post.

[Marche]

I think it would be in good taste to rename the thread Discussion of Possible Future Rules, just to differentiate this as a facilitated discussion. I also move to immediately make one of two drastic steps to either:

 

A: Un-ban people who have "broken the rules" in the past few days in order to let everyone understand there is a new way of maintaining yourself on the server and on the forums

 

B: Ban everyone who has broken the rules in the past few days, whether it be the constant BM of a player (due to rage or concern for the community) or it be a Moderator (due to this constant derailment of threads so he may lock them himself despite this method of shutting down a thread being a clear violation of ethical moderation).

 

I just want to make sure that moderation is consistent and warranted to make to make sure that we are raising a community based on integrity and not hypocrisy.

[Mus]

If someone is being abusive through mumble then you have the right to punish them on mumble. However, if someone is being abusive on SC (eg AoS chat channel, lobby chat, in game chat) then you do not have the right to punish them on mumble, you can only report it to Blizzard and let their mods take care of it and they will punish the player on SC. Your jurisdiction does not reach beyond mumble and into SC.

[tukeykramer]

I think it would be in good taste to rename the thread Discussion of Possible Future Rules, just to differentiate this as a facilitated discussion. I also move to immediately make one of two drastic steps to either:

 

A: Un-ban people who have "broken the rules" in the past few days in order to let everyone understand there is a new way of maintaining yourself on the server and on the forums

 

B: Ban everyone who has broken the rules in the past few days, whether it be the constant BM of a player (due to rage or concern for the community) or it be a Moderator (due to this constant derailment of threads so he may lock them himself despite this method of shutting down a thread being a clear violation of ethical moderation).

 

I just want to make sure that moderation is consistent and warranted to make to make sure that we are raising a community based on integrity and not hypocrisy.

 

I don't know what has been going on over the past few days, since I haven't been on mumble. However, most, if not all of these rules were already inherent expectations on mumble. However, it tended to be more of a judgment call by individual mods. When I was on I would regularly enforce most of the listed rules.

 

I do agree, however, that the title of this thread is misleading. I had the impression that these had already been discussed and vetted by the other mumble mods...

[Hogwarts]

I don't know what has been going on over the past few days, since I haven't been on mumble. However, most, if not all of these rules were already inherent expectations on mumble. However, it tended to be more of a judgment call by individual mods. When I was on I would regularly enforce most of the listed rules.

 

I do agree, however, that the title of this thread is misleading. I had the impression that these had already been discussed and vetted by the other mumble mods...

 

your the only one GG

[KinGofDaBerG]

I think it would be in good taste to rename the thread Discussion of Possible Future Rules, just to differentiate this as a facilitated discussion. I also move to immediately make one of two drastic steps to either:

 

A: Un-ban people who have "broken the rules" in the past few days in order to let everyone understand there is a new way of maintaining yourself on the server and on the forums

 

B: Ban everyone who has broken the rules in the past few days, whether it be the constant BM of a player (due to rage or concern for the community) or it be a Moderator (due to this constant derailment of threads so he may lock them himself despite this method of shutting down a thread being a clear violation of ethical moderation).

 

I just want to make sure that moderation is consistent and warranted to make to make sure that we are raising a community based on integrity and not hypocrisy.

 

I dont see why it has to be renamed, as if the rules apply then they will stay, if they dont the thread will drift into oblivion, I dont know of anyone who has been banned recently either due to any of these, and if they were it was on the mod incharge so they had the right to do so! I dont see how this is challenging :integrity and not hypocrisy.

 

If someone is being abusive through mumble then you have the right to punish them on mumble. However, if someone is being abusive on SC (eg AoS chat channel, lobby chat, in game chat) then you do not have the right to punish them on mumble, you can only report it to Blizzard and let their mods take care of it and they will punish the player on SC. Your jurisdiction does not reach beyond mumble and into SC.

 

Mus this only apllies in inh games chats, not in the SC channels as those cant be moderated, but since inh and mumble synergize, they both have to moderated. I mean you can be on mumble playing an inh, but rage via chat in an inh game. its basically the same as rage quiting an inh game.

[Hogwarts]

I'd like to add something to the rules,

 

I have been rather frustrated lately with this situation.

 

We do a roll call of people who will play, and X plaer says yes i will play pick me, X player gets picked but is in a pub or playing a diff game, We get 8-9 people in the Lobby and X player will not leave his game to join the lobby to move the game forward, he/ she will be greedy and continue there pub making 9 people wait.

 

Or X player trolls and says i will play, maybe i wont , ohh ok i;ll play etc... Slowing down the start time of In Houses.

 

The reason this is an issue is because Un like EU in NA if you sit in a lobby for to long the lobby will bug and some one will get dropped and we have to remake

 

and its just a waste of peoples time

[Revolution]

I would much prefer these rules to be addressed, agreed upon and stated to the public by Red and Ecko. Moderators are set in place to enforce the rules not make them.

[MaximuuuS]

Continue reading the rest, if the raging conintues all game long, then this is regarded as abuse... and should be dealt with, if it was just one instances where the team lost a fight and one player screams in anger and shouts at you for a brief moment, you got to let that slide.

 

I meen not the duration but "depth". Sometimes it's not acceptable even for several words.

[KinGofDaBerG]

I would much prefer these rules to be addressed, agreed upon and stated to the public by Red and Ecko. Moderators are set in place to enforce the rules not make them.

 

I am being pro-active with the rules so people can see how we ban, if a list would be sent out, it would have to be approved by Red/Ecko...

[KinGofDaBerG]

I meen not the duration but "depth". Sometimes it's not acceptable even for several words.

 

haha ye I know what you mean, but you know sometimes people get angry and say stupid things, they dont particularly mean what they say, but it happens as they are angry... as long as you can see past it and he doesnt comtinue to abuse you then it shouldnt really be an issue right?

[Dietdrpepper]

I am not sure why African is getting so much push back on this. All he is doing is trying to get the community's opinion on what the rules for mumble need to be. Where is the harm in that?

[tukeykramer]

I think that the main reason he is getting pushback is the way he presented the rules. That is, even though his intent was to propose rules and have them be discussed, when one reads the original post, you get the sense that these are the rules already in place and that they were unilaterally created by African. I think if he changed the disclaimer and made the intent of the post more clear in his first paragraph that he wouldn't be getting as much pushback.