unkillable tanks

[Hubert]

i just played a couple games where i was drake and there was no way the enemy was going to kill me outside of the artifact

that said i wish there were more str items. there are loads of different >50 int and agi items but not so many str items and stackin carpace gets boring and frankly u get really slow (heavy item)

[Midknight]

An easy counter to that is Pyre + Gravity Edge with a fast attack speed. The true damage conversion of Gravity will make Pyre's damage pierce right through your spell resist. Lead off with a Gravity-modified Sunflare and you go down that much quicker.

[Ironsights]

I was under the impression that gravity's edge didn't effect pyre's spell damage since it was an item effect and not "your" spell damage?

 

Am I wrong on that?

[Midknight]

Ya, Gravity affects all sources of spell damage that you put out including from items. However, iirc, someone reported that certain item-based spell damage isn't affected by bonus spell damage granted by Argus Crystal, Yamato active ability, and Cunning talent. I forget which ones, though.

[neogeo]

i think drake is one of the strongest 1v5 heros when everybody of one team leaves and he gets massive money and grows stronger.

but only earl to midgame.

[Eliwan]

afaik only Superheated Mantle does not activate Argus/Yamato/Cunning; to prevent the thing with Vergil rofling on enemy teams with Disarming Strikes (cutting their Attack Damage by 50% just by popping in every 3 seconds...)

[Jaysi]

That's lame to hear they couldn't come up with a better fix for Virgils passive. How does Jackson only gain shields from spells then and not say, shrapnel cloak active? Or am I on something totally different here? Lol.

[jamescossey]

That's lame to hear they couldn't come up with a better fix for Virgils passive. How does Jackson only gain shields from spells then and not say, shrapnel cloak active? Or am I on something totally different here? Lol.

 

his ability says something like spell damage from his abilities. could u imagine if he got shields from spell damage he did from items. think auto attack build. pyre, starsfury, stunbaton, sunflaregun, argus, darwin might. now ur vs a 6k hp drake. sunflare gun for about 2300, prye is procing for 360 max so lets say 3k damage over the 5 sec of a fight.. stars fury proc for 400. round it all up to 6.5k stun baton and spells he cast. with out counting spell resist he would of gained 975 shields if its still 15% passive. not to mention what he is leeching with darwin might.

[Jaysi]

his ability says something like spell damage from his abilities. could u imagine if he got shields from spell damage he did from items. think auto attack build. pyre, starsfury, stunbaton, sunflaregun, argus, darwin might. now ur vs a 6k hp drake. sunflare gun for about 2300, prye is procing for 360 max so lets say 3k damage over the 5 sec of a fight.. stars fury proc for 400. round it all up to 6.5k stun baton and spells he cast. with out counting spell resist he would of gained 975 shields if its still 15% passive. not to mention what he is leeching with darwin might.

I understand, but I was just curious more about the triggers and map editor portion of it. If you had to disallow certain items(argus, yamato, and gravity's edge) from affecting other items like SHM just so Virgil's debuff wouldn't work with it, does that mean certain items that argus and yamato do work with would cause shield gain for Jackson? But I guess AA isn't included in the trigger for Jackson so that might make a difference.

[Banzaiguy]

Well Cow's Echo matrix procs on spell damage from his abilities only. Jaxx's passive probably works similarly.

[Hubert]

afaik only Superheated Mantle does not activate Argus/Yamato/Cunning; to prevent the thing with Vergil rofling on enemy teams with Disarming Strikes (cutting their Attack Damage by 50% just by popping in every 3 seconds...)

SAD FACE

see vergil they changes somthing just for you ur special (thats why i always pick you)

[Revolution]

i just played a couple games where i was drake and there was no way the enemy was going to kill me outside of the artifact

that said i wish there were more str items. there are loads of different >50 int and agi items but not so many str items and stackin carpace gets boring and frankly u get really slow (heavy item)

 

Ummm why would you be stacking carapaces? 1 is okay to have but there are better items if you are trying to "tank". Such as spell buffer, electric mantle, barbed plating, korhal vanguard etc.

[Ironsights]

Ummm why would you be stacking carapaces? 1 is okay to have but there are better items if you are trying to "tank". Such as spell buffer, electric mantle, barbed plating, korhal vanguard etc.

 

this is true, unless your goal is to get raw HP. Carapace is one of the best items for raw HP, and it grants decent regen (from STR) at the same time. Since martyr is based on HP and surviving it based on resist, regen, and hp...you can do a lot worse than buying 2-3 carapaces on drake, though you still need a nitrofit and a spell buffer in there too, and e-mantle is sexy. so buffer, emantle, nitro fit, carapacex3 is acrually psuedo-viable on drake.

[Divinesashi]

Rather replace nitrogen with parallax or replace a carapace with parallax in my humble opinion

[Hubert]

i like to stack hp with drake so his martyr does more damage but its not really viable against a carry with pyre

parallax is nice but also situational.

[jamescossey]

Ummm why would you be stacking carapaces? 1 is okay to have but there are better items if you are trying to "tank". Such as spell buffer, electric mantle, barbed plating, korhal vanguard etc.

 

really with having 4 carapace, shm, and spell buffer drake is as good as he can ever be. not including kills you will be sitting over 7k hp. so now u got 90+1%hp(70) and 40 from shm, thats 200 damage a second. then with talent for 7% spell resist, his skill, and spell buffer your at 50% spell resist. talent for armor and shm you will be at about 25 armor which is about 53% physical resist. to get this far along will take alot of money but if its a good game and your doing well you could end the game with 10k hp and ur ulti if in combat will heal for 5k. can you say tower dive and live with no problem.

[Eliwan]

I would change one of those Carapaces into Electric Mantle (CDR and the Unique). It would probably help more VS DARPA and Nova and other AA carries.

 

But I really see how strong 4x Carapace would be XD

[Rem]

Ditch one for an emantle, and shm for shc or ditch another carapace