Im going to quit AOS, seriously this game is so retarded it hurts.

[Psyght]

Something I think that is very ignored on the forums, and then ignored in the development process is how this game is in public matches. Like it or not public matches are 95% of this game, without them this game would fail completely and nobody would play within a year. That being said I really think that a larger effort to making public matches more balanced needs to happen, the developers seem to completely gear this game towards the mumble/competitive scene, which would be ok if this game wasn't so technical. I mean the slightest things can ruin public matches. There are a few things I would suggest to make this game not such a piece of shap for public games.

First off I would completely remove leavers bonus, I can't even count how many games are completely ruined because of leavers bonus. How come when I dominate my lane, go 8-0, and the other team goes 0-4, 0-4, 0-2, 1-1,2-1. Not to mention we push all T1, T2 towers, youd think the game is over. But its not, cause the 3 feeders rage out. So then I'm at 8-0, going against a 1-2 shade, and a 2-1 darpa, I have more assists, more money from towers, and barley lower creeps. But heres were leaver bonus kicks in, their income sky rockets, and in about 20 minutes are both maxed, and level 18. while me who has been farming, still 8-0, is only level 13 with 2 core items. THAT ISNT BALANCED. why do I get punished because I did really well early game and made 3 people back out???? Please I would love to hear arguments about how its balanced, BECAUSE ITS NOT. theres a reason why LoL doesnt have leaver bonus, its flobing ridiculous I'm sure I could think of a million other reasons leavers bonus isnt balanced but I will stop there.

secondly, We need a damn kick option, I don't know exactly how it would work with out being able to abuse, but man, sometimes I want to kick the feeder on the other team just for the sake of a good game. I mean when someone spawns and directly walks into tower 10 times and feeds their team 10 quick kills, its really hard to come back from that. but if you were able to nip it in the bud, and when the person blindly walks into a tower with no items, and no creep kills, I really think you should be able to kick them. I mean its one of the only ways to get a good game going sometimes.

In closing, this game has some very fundamental flaws that need to be addressed, one of them being the public match scene, a lot more work needs to go into the balancing of public games, because like I said, that is 95% of the aos scene. The game needs to be easier to pick up, and harder to master.

 

 

PS and about the leavers bonus, dont give me this 'work as a team' 'counter their team' bull shap, have you ever played in a pub??? there is nearly 0 team work, and as soon as you make a suggestion to your team they just yell and say 'i know what im doing stfu noob'.

[IMBrew]

So why are extremly racist signatures like this are not banned and ponies are hated by nazi moderation.

[Psyght]

So why are extremly racist signatures like this are not banned and ponies are hated by nazi moderation.

hows my signature racist?

 

please keep this on topic.

[Allstar]

Hello, I don't know you Psyght and we've never gamed together (yet), but I have to disagree with the kick option. I definitely support it in an ideal scenario, but it would get abused. You said it yourself, as soon as you talk to some people they just get aggressive towards you. The same would happen with a kick scenario. If you are playing well, like your 8-0 scenario imagine if there is internal strife on your team. One of them initiates a kick vote against you just to be a scrub. The other team would be more than happy to kick you now and you will have been unjustly kicked. This game is frustrating at times and maybe it should be a point to balance pub games a little bit more. I hope this post turns into a constructive discussion about the future of this game and not into an argument thread. There seem to be too many of those.

[Psyght]

Hello, I don't know you Psyght and we've never gamed together (yet), but I have to disagree with the kick option. I definitely support it in an ideal scenario, but it would get abused. You said it yourself, as soon as you talk to some people they just get aggressive towards you. The same would happen with a kick scenario. If you are playing well, like your 8-0 scenario imagine if there is internal strife on your team. One of them initiates a kick vote against you just to be a scrub. The other team would be more than happy to kick you now and you will have been unjustly kicked. This game is frustrating at times and maybe it should be a point to balance pub games a little bit more. I hope this post turns into a constructive discussion about the future of this game and not into an argument thread. There seem to be too many of those.

I tried to keep my cool and only stick with valid points for that reason, but I think there could be a way to have the option of kicking be visible, maybe everyone has to accept except the one being booted or something, but with a game that depends so much on minerals, 1 person can single handily ruin 9 other peoples game.

[NoWaterJustIce]

The leaver bonus was implemented for public games -_- since you have more people on your team you have to group up to kill the other 2 people, no more 1v1 and come out ahead unless you play better than them. if that is too hard you can always split push and there will be nothing the other team can do. In lol it is possible for the leaver to come back where as in aos this is not the case.

 

I believe in a thread about vote-kick option being added Ecko said that he was looking into it but in a way that cant be abused, which is not an easy thing to do.

 

Im sorry that the game has frustrated you, but it will probably always have bugs and flaws(especially in a pub game where it pits 10 random people against each other). It is made by 1 guy in his spare time on an engine that doesn't always support the creators designs, though i guarantee that RNG is working hard and trying to make the game better.

[Psyght]

The leaver bonus was implemented for public games -_- since you have more people on your team you have to group up to kill the other 2 people, no more 1v1 and come out ahead unless you play better than them. if that is too hard you can always split push and there will be nothing the other team can do. In lol it is possible for the leaver to come back where as in aos this is not the case.

 

I believe in a thread about vote-kick option being added Ecko said that he was looking into it but in a way that cant be abused, which is not an easy thing to do.

 

Im sorry that the game has frustrated you, but it will probably always have bugs and flaws(especially in a pub game where it pits 10 random people against each other). It is made by 1 guy in his spare time on an engine that doesn't always support the creators designs, though i guarantee that RNG is working hard and trying to make the game better.

I didn't mean to come across as ungrateful, because I understand that ecko probably looses money and defiantly loads of time programming this game, I just think that more attention to public games is needed, just like in regular starcraft ladder, there hasn't been enough done to help the casual gamer/the new person, and really I think removing leaver bonus would be a large step in the right direction.

[CheekyKunt]

come on mumble, this shap won't happen

[God]

There should be no leave bonus. Take their money and thats it

[Psyght]

come on mumble, this shap won't happen

I have mumble and I play occasionally, but I don't always have time that it takes to get a game going on mumble. usually entails waiting for the current game to finish, then waiting to actually start a game, atleast 30 minutes of prep time everytime I play an IH.

and regardless about mumble, like I said in my post, 95% of this game is public matches, just cause mumble will fix the problem for 1 person, doesn't mean that the other 95% of the game is going to become any more balanced.

[NoWaterJustIce]

I have mumble and I play occasionally, but I don't always have time that it takes to get a game going on mumble. usually entails waiting for the current game to finish, then waiting to actually start a game, atleast 30 minutes of prep time everytime I play an IH.

and regardless about mumble, like I said in my post, 95% of this game is public matches, just cause mumble will fix the problem for 1 person, doesn't mean that the other 95% of the game is going to become any more balanced.

 

I would have to agree, Mumble isnt for everyone as it does demand a large amount of time per each game. One thing i think will help is when the match making system is implemented.

[Psyght]

@quist, do you have more information about said matchmaking?

[NoWaterJustIce]

@quist, do you have more information about said matchmaking?

 

It is supposed to come out with HoTS and give a ladder like matchmaking system to custom games. I was under the impression that it was mostly to support the Blizzard Allstars custom map that is coming out soon^R

[Jaysi]

Go read some older threads on leavers bonus. It is only there for public games. If you think there is so little team work in pubs why don't we just make it a FFA game? No that'd be dumb...

 

Key to overcoming leavers bonus is to have more players that are skilled. A kick option could allow you to boot weak links to make up for the bonus.

[Psyght]

Go read some older threads on leavers bonus. It is only there for public games. If you think there is so little team work in pubs why don't we just make it a FFA game? No that'd be dumb...

 

Key to overcoming leavers bonus is to have more players that are skilled. A kick option could allow you to boot weak links to make up for the bonus.

That makes absolutely no sense "Key to overcoming leavers bonus is to have more players that are skilled. A kick option could allow you to boot weak links to make up for the bonus." So in a game that I've already earned the victory for, by being better than their team and getting to 8-0, I'm forced to then overcome the other 4 members of my teams feed, and somehow win an uphill battle that consists of my depending on my team which isn't competent. I mean seriously, I was better than both the people that wound up winning that game, but because of leavers bonus I lost. I would love to hear valid argument for leavers bonus, I really would. But you sir haven't presented one yet. Just saying 'being more skilled' isn't an argument. leavers bonus is supposed to balance an uneven game, not switch the unevenness to the other team with less players. In pubs now I love when my teamates leave cause that means I'm going to have massive income and the buff isnt half bad either, but the main problem is the income.

[Allstar]

Maybe it should have just been one or the other. To give 7% bonus and a flot of minerals is damning to the other team. I recently posted a sell before leave thread about the old way of selling before leaving to benefit my team. To me the minerals makes sense to be distributed for me leaving. For 3 players to leave and give a 21% buff on top of potentially 4-8k minerals will make any game hard and as it has been largely agreed upon that pubs don't work well together. It all comes down to the people with the power to change the game. If you could give more detail on how to seamlessly integrate your thoughts into the game then you would have a more appealing case. The last point of your original post was the pub games are unbalanced. I think an in depth suggestions post is what you're looking for. You'd need lots of ideas, justification, and alternative solutions. Maybe you couldn't change everything, but one or two changes could make the difference and hopefully those debate classes in high school can gain you some support. :)

[Midknight]

The biggest problem is that the money is all given in one big chunk. 3 people leave and bam a few thou are divided among the remaining players. A better method would be to take all that money and put it in an escrow account which pays out regularly, as a kill bonus, or both. This way, they only immediate advantage they have is the leaver bonus.

[Psyght]

The biggest problem is that the money is all given in one big chunk. 3 people leave and bam a few thou are divided among the remaining players. A better method would be to take all that money and put it in an escrow account which pays out regularly, as a kill bonus, or both. This way, they only immediate advantage they have is the leaver bonus.

This and the extra income needs to be gotten rid of, I mean seriously the income is wayyyyy to high.

[RedHydra]

If StarCraft implemented a matchmaking system for Custom Maps, we wouldn't need the Leaver System. It's something we're not really a fan of, but it works: The system is there to give the odd team the chance to win a game. Where is the motivation to keep playing if you know that you have a clear disadvantage?

 

That being said, the team with the 5 has a better chance of winning the game still, but the two problems are how cooperative and how experienced is your team. You also get way more minerals from Hero kills than mineral income. As for your game, I don't know what hero you played or what your team did, so I can't really comment on the effectiveness of Leaver bonus; however, you were fighting against Shadow and Darpa--Both have the capability to carry the game.

 

Without a doubt, we need a vote kick system to prevent intentional feed. It will be implemented in the near future.

[Psyght]

If StarCraft implemented a matchmaking system for Custom Maps, we wouldn't need the Leaver System. It's something we're not really a fan of, but it works: The system is there to give the odd team the chance to win a game. Where is the motivation to keep playing if you know that you have a clear disadvantage?

 

That being said, the team with the 5 has a better chance of winning the game still, but the two problems are how cooperative and how experienced is your team. You also get way more minerals from Hero kills than mineral income. As for your game, I don't know what hero you played or what your team did, so I can't really comment on the effectiveness of Leaver bonus; however, you were fighting against Shadow and Darpa--Both have the capability to carry the game.

 

Without a doubt, we need a vote kick system to prevent intentional feed. It will be implemented in the near future.

thank you very much for responding, it actually calms me a lot knowing that you guys actually feel this way and are in support of both ideas i think are necessary. I would love to have updates on the direction you guys want to take the game. It is very frustrating sometimes. anyways, thank you for your time you spend on the game, all in all, it is a good game, with few flaws.

[doxthefox]

It's like that trust fund those sterotypical rich kids get when they turn 21. You know the kids that go out and spend it on fake friends (bad items) until they go broke (-surrender gg wp). However, there is the case where some of these trust fund kids spend their money on their high school sweetheart who loved them before the money (those op items) and they just wreck those 2 guys who are derping around on your remaining 5 man team. The only way of winning that game is hoping that she's cheating on him and the heartache causes him to leave the game. Aside from the color commentary, if your team is smart then they will follow these two trains of thought

 

Scenario 1: If they (3 man) are always together then you have to ward the map and split push.

Scenario 2: If they (3 man) are split then you go to a spot where you can claim an objective (normally a tower/aeon/daggoth/their life).

 

In both scenarios after time you will catch up to them and have the better item pool.

[Psyght]

funny that mine and hogwarts comments got removed, probably for the best. Id like this to stay on topic.

[xNOVAxPRIMEx]

guy is mad cause he cant win a team game by his self , seems legit

 

I dont really agree with this statement. I can see where Psyght is coming from. Not to mention it becomes a team game for one side... A shadow with bonus, money, along with having a little skill (i mean very little) can easily grab a few kills from said "team." and it no longer is a team game. Is this shadow working as a "team"? And i think its wrong that you can just go about saying a biased comment as from his post i sensed NO rage at all, maybe a frustration but more as a strong opinion, well thought out along with valid points to back it up in an attempt to make a better game for everyone. But your statement condescends almost to the point of disrespect. No where did he say hes mad about not being able to win by himself. My interpretaition summed up is this... Why am i being punished for doing well...? Why are they being rewarded for not doing as well...? To the point of flipping the entire game with a simple F10 Q... They should not be given anything to put them over the top but to give them a fighting "chance". Just doesnt seem to be done effectively. Maybe make the leaving teams towers or something stronger along with creeps, idk. Just some Alternative.

 

Either way its sad to see that 90% of the forum posts i read are reduced to "whitty" comments by someone who feels their comment is as valid as their skill level.

[Hogwarts]

I dont really agree with this statement. I can see where Psyght is coming from. Not to mention it becomes a team game for one side... A shadow with bonus, money, along with having a little skill (i mean very little) can easily grab a few kills from said "team." and it no longer is a team game. Is this shadow working as a "team"? And i think its wrong that you can just go about saying a biased comment as from his post i sensed NO rage at all, maybe a frustration but more as a strong opinion, well thought out along with valid points to back it up in an attempt to make a better game for everyone. But your statement condescends almost to the point of disrespect. No where did he say hes mad about not being able to win by himself. My interpretaition summed up is this... Why am i being punished for doing well...? Why are they being rewarded for not doing as well...? To the point of flipping the entire game with a simple F10 Q... They should not be given anything to put them over the top but to give them a fighting "chance". Just doesnt seem to be done effectively. Maybe make the leaving teams towers or something stronger along with creeps, idk. Just some Alternative.

 

Either way its sad to see that 90% of the forum posts i read are reduced to "whitty" comments by someone who feels their comment is as valid as their skill level.

 

shadow is considered one of the most under powered agi dps currently, if a team is having trouble killing shadow 5v1. its not that shadow or leaver money is op its bad players

[Allstar]

Without a doubt, we need a vote kick system to prevent intentional feed. It will be implemented in the near future.

 

I do not think this function will be used to get rid of "intentional" feeders. I think newbs will be receiving most of the attention from this feature and not the people it targets. Publics should be safe haven's for newbs to play and learn from their teammates and experience. Plus I don't see there being a majority vote against a feeder. Think about all the people who don't want a close game, they only want kills.

 

Example: http://www.aeonofstorms.com/index.php?/topic/2719-has-anyone-had-a-pub-where-kills-are-not-considered-gold/page__hl__gold

 

Is a kick system really the solution to balancing pubs?