Legacy Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Im wondering, is it acceptable for heroes to be only used for thier ultis, because all the rest of thier abilities are terrible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMBrew Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Yes, Its called a Walking Ultimate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Who is actually used only because of his ult? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted February 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 For somebody creating heroes, could you have a awesome ulti but terrible other abilities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doxthefox Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 In pubs when they don't know how to use bola they call him boros. Next question. Eliwan, Misantrophy and Rem 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legomancer Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Unix is another one. not that his marines and other abilities are useless, it's just his ult is integral to his build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 In pubs when they don't know how to use bola they call him boros. Next question. ye that flobing spell storm is absolutely useless doxthefox, Misantrophy and Hanedog 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted February 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Lego.... sigh.... you have never seen an AA unix have you? it makes the other abilities much more signifigant... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akanna Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Vergil kinda falls into this category too, Esp with the nerfs to judgement cut (not saying his abilities are bad by any means, but that his playstyle is ULT -> harass w/ judgement or blink away, wait for recharge and ULT again) I am of course making the assumption that you are hating on heros that rely on their ults for everything, since pretty much every ability has some form of use in the game. Zera sorta falls into this too, you rarely see anyone racking kills on him without using the bubble (outside of early game tower pulls) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazySoldier Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Vergil kinda falls into this category too, Esp with the nerfs to judgement cut have u ever read what his w does? also idk how a blink can ever be bad and his q has such short cooldown it is amazing also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaldi Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Lich Diipadaapa and Misantrophy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akanna Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 have u ever read what his w does? also idk how a blink can ever be bad and his q has such short cooldown it is amazing also. Haha you didnt read the part in () Vergils abilities are awesome, love playing him I made the leap that he is mad about heros that pretty much rely on their ult to get kills and cant do all that much without it, since every ability in game is useful in some way Otherwise I have no idea what the flop he is talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doxthefox Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Yea Vergil is useless. I totally wouldn't recommend taking him first in any ih... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captcpc Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 It's perfectly fine on intiators and carries who are focused on winning teamfights which happen around every 2-10 minutes and later into the game. Zeratul being one of these with his gigantic ult that lets him take out almost any single hero while disabling its team as long as he has enough farm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuparu Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Zera sorta falls into this too, you rarely see anyone racking kills on him without using the bubble (outside of early game tower pulls) Ocelot's Revolver + some damage = PROFIT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Lich That's AoS, anyway you are a scrub, you have unlimited mana and easy denies with E, a decent AoE slow with Q and a decent armor buff to your allies with W. I'm not an expert but seems that you are a scrub :O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted February 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Hmm... well if this is acceptable, then that makes hero creating slightly easier... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliwan Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 For somebody creating heroes, could you have a awesome ulti but terrible other abilities? No. Unless the Ultimate is like Kog'Maw's from League of Legends or DARPA's-- is on a pitifully short cooldown-- the ultimate is the icing on the cake of a hero's toolkit. It's what makes you want to play that hero-- but the other abilities are what make the hero most; as if it is an Ultimate-worthy skill.. it can't be on THAT short a CD; right? Like Jackson. What does he do besides wait until the teamfighting begins? Nothing, absolutely nothing. He just sorta exists with a silence and stun and damage if you engage him stupidly-- but by himself, he can't really rack up kills nor creeps. But when the teamfights roll around, you're just counting the seconds until you can use Mass Effect again; and although Mass Effect isn't the most awesome appearance-wise you can really see the devastation it causes. But... that's an ulti-centered toolkit. Outside of Jackson's Ultimate; why would you play him? I bet you probably wouldn't play him much then, would you? On the other hand, let's look at Akasha. His main purpose is crowd control and tanking things, preventing his allies from being stomped; and he accomplishes this with a pair of stuns on his Q and a taunt for his W-- and Consecrate just allows him to tank a bit better while also further weakening the enemy team by just a bit (slowing if he has Nitrogen Retrofit). His Ultimate just adds icing to the cake of his role, smashing enemies for attacking him-- but his Heroic Passive means that you can't just IGNORE him completely, as he forces one of your teammates to basically suicide-attack him! Do you see the difference? Jackson's abilities make him not very powerful as a team-player without his Ultimate and thus his ability to be fun is limited when he cannot cast his Ultimate; whereas Akasha can be useful without his Ultimate and keep a presence-- and his gameplay stays the same; a tank/initiator that holds enemies off of his team while they kill-- or can use those same skills to make a quick getaway. EDIT: I HIGHLY recommend these two topics: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2099323 http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1833829 Because they can say everything I could want to say and then some. =w= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted February 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Well that was really indepth, thank you, i will refrain from making heroes with op ultis and weak qwe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xNOVAxPRIMEx Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Well that was really indepth, thank you, i will refrain from making heroes with op ultis and weak qwe I think that would be kinda boring >.< i mean if you did infact follow through with making it based on just having a good ulti. As for Boros he gets so much hate but hes my favorite character XD. I rarely R and if i do its just for the hell of it. sometimes Ill start with R then hook Bola from wherever i land XD. I say make a hero with awesome QWE with a less interesting R. :3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Eliwan, about jackson, remember that after the Mass Efect it follows the silence, if he didnt have it, ult would be pretty weak, because enemies can just run away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EterNity Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Let's make a hero with 4 passive and no active skills nor auto attack ability. All he does is provide aura to his teammate. Eliwan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliwan Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Very true; but his gameplay is centered around his Ultimate; as that groups the entire enemy team up to be roflstomped by AoE [which the rest of your team ideally is]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doxthefox Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Let's make a hero with 4 passive and no active skills nor auto attack ability. All he does is provide aura to his teammate. How about a hero with 26 actives that are triggered by each letter of the alphabet. We can call him keyboard.smasher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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