Mumble Attitude

[BestPlayer]

I don't know what to say, really. A lot of you know me a rager or a flamer, but one thing I most certainly am not, is badly mannered. I don't even rage or flame that much, I think I'm generally a fairly nice guy on mumble, unlike my usual persona on this forum.

 

A lot of you may not care that I'm leaving, and I am not really sure I'm doing it yet, and that not what this thread is about anyway. This thread is about the current state of mumble. Not like DierDrPeppers "The New Mumble" which was about him personally, but more about the general attitude of, in my opinion, specifically EU players - but some things also carrying over to NA.

 

First of all I'm really disappointed to how resigned people are to things. There is so much personal flaming and bad-manner behaviour, and nobody speaks up. I understand you come on mumble to play and have fun, but you really should stand up for your fellow man sometimes, instead of never, ever doing it.

There are a couple of people doing it, but not a lot - I obviously consider myself among them, and I find that really disappointed.

In my hayday from around late 3.0 to the end of 4.0, I would rage and flame like none of you would believe, but one thing I absolutely would never do, is make things personal, carry on being a rager/flamer after games were done, or do general bad-manner things like kicking players I didn't like from lobbies I was in, or openly mistreat others for no other reasons than me being an handful.

I wouldn't dream of doing it.

 

In recent times I've calmed down. There are still some people considering me a "rager" simply by word of mouth, but if you really think about it, I don't rage anymore. People who played with me when I did, can attest to this. I'm sure they would attest to me being a huge flobing annoying rager, but also agree that I didn't do any of this incredibly bad manner stuff.

 

Secondly, and this goes for both regions, I'm really baffled at how unwilling to help the "top tier players" are. Sure, there are exceptions, and I'm not going to mention anyone in particular, like I didn't do in my previous point, but let me bring you up to speed and give you some context.

 

When I was playing SotIS all day in late 3.0-4.0, I would spectate games of newer players, give them help and tips. I would answer questions and even go in test-games to try different things, and explain different mechanics to newer players. This includes many of the current top players from EU - In that I've helped them in such manner.

I didn't particularly want to play with them at the time, because I knew I would get frustrated and angry during the game - but I still helped them for literally hours on end.

Some of you may just say "Well maybe you shouldn't have", "Your own fault, we don't have to", and you guys would be right. I didn't do it because I had to, but because I wanted to. I enjoyed helping the newer players, and honestly considered it my "duty" in some way, simply because I was a top player.

Bear in mind that this is not necessarily directed at all of the "top players", although most of them.

 

I know it's the same old song of nostalgia, and how "we used to be much nicer", in many ways similar to the old man being displeased with the newer generation - but I really have no other outlet for it than writing here.

I was just kicked out of game for no reason, so the host could invite one of his friends in my place.

 

I'm really tired of this amount of disrespectful behaviour, and I think it may be better to simply disassociate myself from the community, if it is only going to bring heartache like that. I invested more time and energy in this game than any current player on mumble, whether they realise it or not, and it pains me to just get shap on like this - not so much the action itself, but more the fact that nobody cares.

 

There is this weird "kingpin" attitude, where people are simply scared or not confident enough to stand up to the "kingpin", in this case the "top tier/most active" players.

 

Again, not a lot of people are around who care about me, and I honestly don't care about the majority of the players on mumble either - so most people won't care that I'm not interested in staying around, but really try to take this post more about the community attitude, than simply me not being interested in being a part of it.

I don't flame people, I don't talk about people behind their backs. I don't whine about other people, and I make sure to encourage others not to do it either. It creates a really negative atmosphere reminding me most of some inane highschool clique where people are just too insecure on their position in the hierarchy to speak up.

 

I mean is that really the stage we're in? Mumble isn't some huge community that can't be moderated, it isn't filled with 300 different people doing 30 different inhouse games. There are players for a maximum of 1 game at a time, 9/10 days. In other words you'll be playing with the same people over and over, so why are you burning bridges? Why are some people acting like uncaring handfuls? They should be ostracized(Speaking of DietDrPeppers thread) by the rest of the community - and they would, if the community as a whole dared to take a stand against this toxic behaviour.

 

Just my 2 cents,

soedenone.

[Divinesashi]

I love you all

 

/hug

[EasyD]

Mumble is for noobs. You want a real match? A real challenge? Try carrying 3 feeders vs a 4-5 man premade and see how quick you run back to your comfy mumble friends.

 

And when I say feeders I mean bottom feeders. I'm talking about the ones who don't even know they have skills to use, that there is a shop, or follow recommended builds. The ones who don't speak a lick of English, or say anything for that matter. The ones who rather build masamune instead of shrapnel against 5 Novas. None of these "mumble feeders" who go 3-11 cause they did too much math homework the day before.

 

I play the real deal, solo pubbin'

[Midknight]

Play nice.

[Misantrophy]

Mumble is for noobs. You want a real match? A real challenge? Try carrying 3 feeders vs a 4-5 man premade and see how quick you run back to your comfy mumble friends.

 

And when I say feeders I mean bottom feeders. I'm talking about the ones who don't even know they have skills to use, that there is a shop, or follow recommended builds. The ones who don't speak a lick of English, or say anything for that matter. The ones who rather build masamune instead of shrapnel against 5 Novas. None of these "mumble feeders" who go 3-11 cause they did too much math homework the day before.

 

I play the real deal, solo pubbin'

 

Couldn't agree more XD

[doxthefox]

I heard professionals don't rage. Its simple why they have so much personal disrespect on mumble nowadays. They're all scrubs. =D

[WhaleTits]

i say it all day. life of a scrub

[xNOVAxPRIMEx]

Him i gotta say i generally dislike ALL of your posts... noting the part about you saying you are different on these forums. I dont know you out side of them so maybe its a biased opinion. The point is i respect this post and one of the main reasons i have been hesitant about playing with mumble peeps. I came from Star Battle, being one of the "top tier players" i really just got tired of all the rage in games BM and just nonsense going on. I havent played with my clan since October in any IH games for mainly that reason. We all play for fun...and whether its directed at you or someone else listening to people hate on each other/burn bridges is not fun for anyone. I really like AoS im of course still learning but i like having fun. I dont care whos on my team i just like a good attitude. Lettow, Kbizzle and I play regularly, not much IH, but we love a good challenge but the main point is all 3 of us almost always keep a positive attitude trying to help other players (even enemies) to play better.

 

Anyways enough rant, just gotta say your post says a lot and i hope it gets taken in account. "why cant we all just get along" lame as it is its true. If more people would shut up and just have fun, new players would be more inclined to learn and get better, meaning a bigger pool, meaning a more successful game. THE END :)

[Psyght]

OK soedone, i dont know you really, except our 1 time talking on the forums, but you know, your a good guy. I do really agree on a lot of these points, even though im really new to mumble. its really unwelcoming to new players, and thats the reason why people dont play as much.

[JIMHALPERT]

I quietly troll an unhealthy amount, but do agree with most of your threads.

 

I also like how you are able to blow doller sign smoke rings and that in this thread, you are able to use the 'c' and 'v' keys

[Hogwarts]

mumble op

[Nuparu]

^ It's because he plugged in his keyboard for an important cause.

[Misantrophy]

Lettow, Kbizzle and I play regularly, not much IH, but we love a good challenge but the main point is all 3 of us almost always keep a positive attitude trying to help other players (even enemies) to play better.

 

So we havent played in a week and you already forgot me :( </3

[EterNity]

It goes like this:

 

1. First joined mumble

 

2. Didn't know anyone so automatically being well-mannered and polite.

 

3. Be noticed of high level skill level and picked almost every game.

 

 

From this point it will spit into two different lines:

 

Good one:

 

Continuously act nicely and being a good player and chill with the rest of the community nicely and doing beta test to contribute to the evolution of the game.

 

Bad one:

 

Grow cocky and forms a pack then processes to BM everyone else that does not belong to the pack or has different opinions (especially in post-game beta balance discussion)

 

 

In the end, mumble is just a medium for one to gain access to higher level game play and a means of communication tool that allows you to in-put your suggestions directly to the developers. (This is also one of the main reason why many mumblers are still playing AoS instead of LoL or DotA2 because it feels like making your own games!)

 

How one person decide to do to fit in the not-very-big mumble community is his/her own choice.

 

I've seem a lot of good examples and some very bad ones; however, mumble is still an overall nice place to visit :p

[Rem]

primary reason i dont Ih anymore... I developed a life im too flobbing busy to wait 30- 1hr for a game to end to get picked for another hr long game, when ya only have 3 hrs to play mumble isnt the right place if u want more than 1-2 games before bed.

[xNOVAxPRIMEx]

So we havent played in a week and you already forgot me :( </3

 

haha sorry mang i just used the couple people ive been playing last week with almost everyday the entire time im on >.< I sorry. Get on more :p

[Revolution]

I care if you leave! D:

 

Here I'll help you out.

 

TL:DR for soeds post.

Grow the flob up. Seriously some of you people act like you're in middle school yet you're 20 years or older. Stop being douchebags to eachother and be mature, act your age.

[LOLLMAO]

Bad manners runs everywhere on the internet... youtube, MOBA, social networking sites, discussion sites.etc

 

People need to calm down and don't insult other players for being bad/fed/newb. Just because one guy was feeding/trolling,

 

doesn't mean EVERYONE have to listen to your bad manners/rage.

 

Games are meant to be for entertainment, not for raging/bad manners.

[Yaldi]

Catch you on dota bro

[TungVu]

Just report them bro, they will be banned soon™

In all seriousness tho, nobody should be kicked/banned from inhouse because of personal vendettas. When I used to play (around Soed's time), I hated a lot of ppl and I would assume a lot of ppl hated me as well but I never kicked/banned anyone from in-houses just because I don't enjoy playing with them. And trust me, back then I had the "authority" to do that, in the sense that If I were to leave the lobby, I could convince other core members of the community to quit as well. And it also goes both way: when I logged on late, I would have to wait for the other ppl who were b4 me to join before I am able to play an inhouse. Ok I admit I cut the line a lot but u get the idea :D

[Spooky]

U made entire topic mainly because u got kicked from spec spot before inhouse yesterday? I have no idea what were u told before in lobby chat, but I believe it couldn't be as bm as u think, because even your good friend haven't take any voice about it. Probably u were ask to free one spot for another team member of oncoming tournament. Anyway it had nothing to do with personal reasons as far as I know...

 

However I agree with your opinion about mumble attitude to newcomers. They are NEW, they suppose to be bad, to feed or to don't know how to engage, what to build and so on. Very often they are blamed for lost game. Some people just take the game way too much seriously, like it was the only thing which makes them valuable in their own eyes. Its the GAME, its for fun, only. Why not simply enjoy it no matter if u loosing or winning? When I was making my first steps in inhouses people were nice to me and no one raged.

 

There is one more thing I don't like. When people going afk for entire duration of captain picks and team picks. They came back after and 'flob this, I'm not going to play with that teams, lets repick'. So everyone is wasting a lot of time because someone prefer to do sth else than participating in team picking. Lets make it simple - u haven't participated, u have nothing to say. I may add that we should avoid situation like 'picking from 12 players'. When there are already 10 players which want to play, no one new should get invited to play as well. They were simply first. In effect player who isn't considered good enough can't play, ergo can't learn...

[MaximuuuS]

 

I may add that we should avoid situation like 'picking from 12 players'. When there are already 10 players which want to play, no one new should get invited to play as well. They were simply first. In effect player who isn't considered good enough can't play, ergo can't learn...

 

Fully agree on that.

 

As for Soed's case, those alpha-n00b who kicked him does such things regularly and calls people idiots on mumble. Idc why he is still allowed to play. Community really has sheep-mentality.

[Hogwarts]

one thing i noticed on NA we guarantee new players a spot for at least 1-5 games , on EU they get left out

[Hugz]

First off, Amen to your post man!!!

 

Indeed there are several players in EU IH, that think they are god themselves, flaming and BM every time

I dont have to name persons cause they know who they are, its just a hand full and the reason a LOT of players dont play EU ih anymore. Also its allways the same with EU IH, 70% are same players. And a few of those ruin it for new ones or new ones to IH.

 

They pick the hero's they want, want the rest to form team around it, and then flame teamm8's if something goes bad.

I played a few Ih's with some guys from US, and my god what a different view this gave, so much more relaxing, a laugh when a pull goes bad, no bad word at all, just a FUN ih.

 

Anyway, whine mode off,

and thx for this post.

<3 peace, and a hug from hugz

[BestPlayer]

Mumble is for noobs. You want a real match? A real challenge? Try carrying 3 feeders vs a 4-5 man premade and see how quick you run back to your comfy mumble friends.

 

And when I say feeders I mean bottom feeders. I'm talking about the ones who don't even know they have skills to use, that there is a shop, or follow recommended builds. The ones who don't speak a lick of English, or say anything for that matter. The ones who rather build masamune instead of shrapnel against 5 Novas. None of these "mumble feeders" who go 3-11 cause they did too much math homework the day before.

 

I play the real deal, solo pubbin'

Haha okay, this made me smile!

 

Him i gotta say i generally dislike ALL of your posts... noting the part about you saying you are different on these forums. I dont know you out side of them so maybe its a biased opinion. The point is i respect this post and one of the main reasons i have been hesitant about playing with mumble peeps.

Generally I just post what could be labeled "Random BS" on these forums. I find it mildly amusing.

Anyone who knows me knows I don't actually act that way in person at all, including when I am on mumble - it's just me having grown somewhat jaded from extensive online gaming, I guess. I blow off some steam and enjoy myself when I write the random stuff here, and you shouldn't really take a lot of it seriously.

 

[...]just gotta say your post says a lot and i hope it gets taken in account. "why cant we all just get along" lame as it is its true. If more people would shut up and just have fun, new players would be more inclined to learn and get better, meaning a bigger pool, meaning a more successful game. THE END :)

At the end of the day it isn't really just a "why cant we all just get along", it's actually more an acknowledgment that we can't, but that we should go about it in an adult manner instead of doing what is currently being done about it: Nothing.

 

U made entire topic mainly because u got kicked from spec spot before inhouse yesterday? I have no idea what were u told before in lobby chat, but I believe it couldn't be as bm as u think, because even your good friend haven't take any voice about it. Probably u were ask to free one spot for another team member of oncoming tournament. Anyway it had nothing to do with personal reasons as far as I know...

No I did not create this thread for solely that reason, that was simply the drop that caused the cup to overflow.

The fact that whether or not you are tournament team member or not, should have absolutely no bearing on your spectating, not playing, a game.

The reason I was kicked is because the host of the lobby dislikes me intently, and has showcased his childish behaviour on both mumble and ingame many times. which brings me to the next post....

As for Soed's case, those alpha-n00b who kicked him does such things regularly and calls people idiots on mumble. Idc why he is still allowed to play. Community really has sheep-mentality.

 

In my eyes the problem is the mentality of the majority, rather than the actions of the few. There will always be some guys thinking they can do whatever they please, and it's up to the rest of the community to draw a line in the sand and tell them that is not the case. I mean I understand in real life, a person may be scared/too insecure to act in defense of others, because of the other person posing a physical risk to you - but here on the internet, there is absolutely no reason to just sit back and let it happen, and I don't think you should. As I wrote in the OP, when I was playing all day 3.0/4.0, inhousers would keep each other in check; go to far, and you would be called out on it, and told to relax.

That meant some of us raged a lot, sure, I'm not disputing that, but we absolutely never did anything as remotely "bad manner" as what happens regularly in inhouses today.

 

one thing i noticed on NA we guarantee new players a spot for at least 1-5 games , on EU they get left out

Well that's the one positive about the NA system - that new people are guaranteed at least one game.

 

I'm frankly unsure how it works right now in EU, but it used to work in a very cut and dry manner, which Tungvu references in his post as well: First come, first serve. The first ten people to join the ingame lobby would form the inhouse, and regardless of other people becoming available, those ten would keep playing until one of them had to leave, which would open up a slot for the person first in line to join.

It would effectively carry on like that. This meant newer people in the lobby would keep playing in the lobby, until they themselves choose to leave.

 

I don't dare say one system is better than the other, and like I said, I'm not sure how relevant my representation of the EU system is, as I don't know it's accuracy - but both systems have pros and cons, certainly.

 

First off, Amen to your post man!!!

 

Indeed there are several players in EU IH, that think they are god themselves, flaming and BM every time

I dont have to name persons cause they know who they are, its just a hand full and the reason a LOT of players dont play EU ih anymore. Also its allways the same with EU IH, 70% are same players. And a few of those ruin it for new ones or new ones to IH.[...]

 

I'm sorry about your experience, and that of everyone else in the thread who have been openly mistreated for no other reason than the guy doing it thinking he could do so without any repercussions - and him apparently being right about that.

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There has been an overwhelmingly positive response to this thread, but as I expected, not a lot of the responses are from the regular inhouse players. I obviously have nothing against you new guys, and I love your support - but the other guys are the ones who need to read and understand this, they are the ones who are the problem, not you.

I care if you leave! D:

:')

 

Here I'll help you out.

 

TL:DR for soeds post.

Grow the flob up. Seriously some of you people act like you're in middle school yet you're 20 years or older. Stop being douchebags to eachother and be mature, act your age.

That pretty much sums it up, at least partly, in one sentence. It really is baffling how the mid-twenty something-year-olds are acting on mumble. I find a big problem to be, and I know I'm repeating myself, the rest of the community not rallying around those being singled out, and as a community not telling the "troublemakers" what goes and what doesn't. Nobody really appears to care - or do not dare to go against the flow, which is a big, big shame, as the whole community, like I said before, is not big enough that it doesn't hurt literally everyone when one guy is causing a lot of trouble.