Spooky Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Sooner or later every dps hero will get Masamune. Basically it gives u sth like almost permanent Haste talent - additional 25% timescale. Isn't it too much? Original design was to make it costly 'risk' item with great benefits. But now there is no 'risk' factor here. Negative physical resistance for high armor AGI heroes? Its nothing. There is no reason why dps hero shouldn't get it. And everyone know how ridiculous heroes like Darpa, Nova, Boros, Leo, LZ, Tychus and so on become after they finished building it. I think negative physical resistance should go back into negative spell resistance and make item more balanced. At least it force players to think twice before they decide to get it when there is Cyprus in enemy team... Ironsights, FruitNinja, Phyresis and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeeeend Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 I agree it needs some kind of nerf.Lz and tychus can get it without takeing more dmg due to their abl. And if i recall correctly it used to be 15% timescale instead of 25% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diipadaapa Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 only nekoes use massamune Revolution 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietdrpepper Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 An option would be to make the debuff spell damage instead of physical as most heroes who would get it already have higher physical resist opposed to spell resist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 it used to have -20% spell resist, but that makes the item more of a liability. not even a risk/reward item.. if it gives -20% spell resist you will die without a doubt to any caster instantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietdrpepper Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 @ revolution  Before, unless I am remembering wrong, it was -20% to both phys and spell. Then they buffed it by removing the spell portion. Maybe 20% is too high which could very well be true. However, the physical damage amp really doesnt seem to be doing the job. They could increase it but that seems a little counterproductive too. IDK, its a tough call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Increasing the physical amp wouldnt do much, so either decrease the time scale to say 3% a hit (Ie 15%) Or add a spell dmg amp back on it perhaps at 10% or so since 20 was too strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 @ revolution  Before, unless I am remembering wrong, it was -20% to both phys and spell. Then they buffed it by removing the spell portion. Maybe 20% is too high which could very well be true. However, the physical damage amp really doesnt seem to be doing the job. They could increase it but that seems a little counterproductive too. IDK, its a tough call.  woops forgot to say as well after 'it used to have -20% spell resist' but yes u are correct that it had both.. in pubs the item is extremely strong due to the lack of teamplay and target focusing. in inhouses the item basically allows the other enemy carry to destroy them 20% faster with proper focusing.. thats mainly why i never buy the item.. lets take zeratul for an example.. my end game build is 2x timesplitters, agressors guise, darwins might, electric mantle, bhm or parallax if needed. i output around 500 dps i believe with this build not including the backstabs. i have no need for the item especially if a nova comes along while i have it and just rapes me from the amp..  idk i just find many other aa items to be better in a lot of situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKyExiaLinoz Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 god... here we go again, just because someone owned you using a masenume and you werent able even to do a simple cry before you die all starts saying is an OP item... the item is good, if youre not playing a hero able to use this item, then start using one and own the enemy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzaiguy Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Can someone test out whether the decrease in physical resist is linear or multiplicative? If it's the latter, Masamune's disadvantage wouldn't be that significant. For example, a guy with 50% P.resist only gets a 10% real decrease in his overall physical resist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliwan Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I remember people saying it was multiplicative. I think Whale was the one who tested it, but I'm not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooky Posted February 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 god... here we go again, just because someone owned you using a masenume and you werent able even to do a simple cry before you die all starts saying is an OP item... the item is good, if youre not playing a hero able to use this item, then start using one and own the enemy... Its reply to my opening post? If yes then u have no idea what are u talking about, u can't even put me in right context... Â Â in inhouses the item basically allows the other enemy carry to destroy them 20% faster with proper focusing.. thats mainly why i never buy the item.. lets take zeratul for an example.. my end game build is 2x timesplitters, agressors guise, darwins might, electric mantle, bhm or parallax if needed. i output around 500 dps i believe with this build not including the backstabs. i have no need for the item especially if a nova comes along while i have it and just rapes me from the amp.. 20% physical resistance debuff is almost nothing. AGI carry death is mainly because of spell damage and true damage. Physical damage is small part of whole damage he got, usually. Amplifying it by 20% doesn't change too much. Besides Masamune doesn't only increase dps by 25%, but movement speed as well. It decrease cooldowns and debuffs duration. Its huge buff. Higher movement speed allows u to micro hero better, u can be more aggressive and move back if there is a need. Its obviously the best item for dps heroes there is. In inhouses very often u can hear 'I have Masamune now, gg'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinesashi Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Masamune is op. End of discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VasyaKot Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Umm... I feel like it is the 3rd topic about masamune i have seen last 2 months... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Well they nerfed it rather like we suggested within a few days of this topic, so im prettty happy, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstar Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 I enjoy terrorizing Nova's or Darpa's or w/e DPS player's in pubs. Then again I play Drake and usually have 5-6k life when they get their Masamune. My friend plays a glass cannon build though, and I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually posts his own Masamune hate thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 its quiet expensive though, the only thing that makes it powerful is its speed buff and that can be countered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VasyaKot Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 gg wp AA boros the masamune got nerf... now i cant chase the idiot slowpoke tanks with crazy speed and slash their feet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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