Firnefex Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Silver Soul was tested in various of my item builds, mainly with Brine (as he wants to be really fast). Don't get me wrong, Its not bad, but imagine for only 600 minerals more you get a Phantom Menace which adds 27.44% Movement Speed instead of 15% (nearly double the amount)! I often compare Silver Soul with Mosserg Taser: Mossberg Taser Recipe Cost: 825 Total Cost: 2100 Required Items: +300 Energy +20% Spell Resist [Active] Silence target enemy for 5 seconds. 30 second cooldown. -------------------------------------------------- Silver Soul Recipe Cost: 1425 Total Cost: 2700 Required Items: +350 Energy +20% Spell Resist [unique] Each time you use an ability, you and nearby allies in a 10-unit radius gain +15% Movement Speed for 6 seconds. -------------------------------------------------- Both have Energy and 20% Spell Resist, both have equally good support for your team. But Taser only costs 2100, while SS with 2700 nearly reaches next item level in terms of money. So I think Silver Soul should only cost 2200 minerals or the Movement Speed should be buffed to ~20%! VasyaKot, Hogwarts, Eliwan and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letherl Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Might I suggest using a color different than yellow for your text? It really hurts my eyes. On topic I agree silver soul should be cheaper. xNOVAxPRIMEx and Keithdehun 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firnefex Posted January 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Oh sry, in my Item Database it has a grey background...changed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogwarts Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 i think its a bit over priced also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francuz Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Keep in mind that the mosberg taser only affect one person while silver soul can effectivly help your allies chase/escape. The buff is not meant only for one person - it is granted for your allies and you should keep that in mind when it comes to judging the item price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firnefex Posted January 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 I know, because 15%MS compared to 5s silense is bad, for whole team however its equal. You could maybe better engage/retreat with SS, but disable a big threat with Taser (Erekul can't cast and you can burst him down for example). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysi Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 First of all, what other heroes do people actually use Silver Soul with? Cuz Brine is the only one I do personally, and that's if I don't have to buy major counter items already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Keep in mind that the mosberg taser only affect one person while silver soul can effectivly help your allies chase/escape. The buff is not meant only for one person - it is granted for your allies and you should keep that in mind when it comes to judging the item price. Anyway Taser > Silver Soul ALWAYS because ALWAYS a Silence will be more useful than a MS buff, even for chase or scape, keep your enemy silenced is much better. Eliwan and Keithdehun 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinesashi Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 First of all, what other heroes do people actually use Silver Soul with? Cuz Brine is the only one I do personally, and that's if I don't have to buy major counter items already. Very effective on: 1) Vergil 2) Egon 3) possibly marine king Key: spammable skills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamescossey Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 silver soul price is good, and even though mossberg is greater then silver soul. ive used the soul on my speed build for egon and brine. sitting around 5 speed with egon and brine with both thier speed buffs proced. other then them 2 heros ived used it on lord z and on boros. boros was more for a troll build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliwan Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I would love to see the price decreased to 2200-2500; it would make it more viable on heroes that aren't Brine and Egon. And for them, it would make it a more staple item [which it kinda is already] @Divine: Really? Gintama is useful on Vergil? Huhhh. I... guess; since Vergil relies on spamming not-cheap spells so the energy will help and it will make him more mobile... eh, I guess it does work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbizzle Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 So I think Silver Soul should only cost 2200 minerals or the Movement Speed should be buffed to ~20%! I'd be happy with a lower price as stated here. But no increase to movement speed. (I mean i would love both, but gotta be realistic, cant ask for a lower price and get more) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EterNity Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 How would you compare a team-oriented item to a singled targeted item? It works on Hero that has trouble catching up enemy and hero with a small energy pool to begin with. It is also a superior support item; however, sadly, not many players actually build to support their team. It also has to do with the tier 2 item being too easily obtained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Make it increase summon's MS, and maybe you'll get some people using it on Queen, or MK, or the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironsights Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I like to put it on leo from time to time, usually if the enemy is trying to slow me. Having the option to boost my speed mid chase is useful in that circumstance. But ya, for the cost its rather lack luster. Maybe add circa 30 intel and have it cost 3K even? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firnefex Posted January 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 To not be slowed as Leo you should take Parallax Generator! Because that 15% MS you get from Silver Soul is nearly nothing if you get slowed by a FoE and/or a Nitrogen Retrofit: Leo has 3MS and +10% Aura, Foe -35%, Nitrogen -25%, SS +15% 3 * 1.1 * 0.65 * 0.75 * 1.15 = 1.85 Movement Speed. The Movement Speed Silver Soul provides here is 0.25, thats in average the difference between most Base Movement Speeds of diverse heroes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironsights Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 To not be slowed as Leo you should take Parallax Generator! Because that 15% MS you get from Silver Soul is nearly nothing if you get slowed by a FoE and/or a Nitrogen Retrofit: Leo has 3MS and +10% Aura, Foe -35%, Nitrogen -25%, SS +15% 3 * 1.1 * 0.65 * 0.75 * 1.15 = 1.85 Movement Speed. The Movement Speed Silver Soul provides here is 0.25, thats in average the difference between most Base Movement Speeds of diverse heroes... true, also a good option. just saying that from time to time I'll grab the soul...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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