Baggins Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Well, I saw a thread that reminded me of this, but I have a question, lets say perchance that someone got another player down to -100% move speed, wouldn't this mean immobilization? Because if thats the case, Jackson is too op, since he can do this by himself when built correctly. The story behind this is that I tried this, and I'm not sure if it worked correctly because I was fighting balrog, darpa and cyprus. Balrog would use screech to not be debuffed, darpa could jump, and cyprus wouldn't attack, or get close enough. Because this could shut down a shadow who tries to do a hit and run, which would be hilarious to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Well, I saw a thread that reminded me of this, but I have a question, lets say perchance that someone got another player down to -100% move speed, wouldn't this mean immobilization? Because if thats the case, Jackson is too op, since he can do this by himself when built correctly. The story behind this is that I tried this, and I'm not sure if it worked correctly because I was fighting balrog, darpa and cyprus. Balrog would use screech to not be debuffed, darpa could jump, and cyprus wouldn't attack, or get close enough. Because this could shut down a shadow who tries to do a hit and run, which would be hilarious to watch. why you just dont get a friend, get jackson: retrofit, heated mantle, FoE, time splitter and tell us what's happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustBooom Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 whaaat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted January 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 why you just dont get a friend, get jackson: retrofit, heated mantle, FoE, time splitter and tell us what's happening? Actually, the build does not include those 2 items, its just a dst, so he can tank and not have to AA to slow to death, but he can definitely go past 100% slow if he wants to. I was hoping for a faster answer than that, and who says I have any friends? D: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 I supposed you had friends O.o doxthefox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aellectris Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Slows stack multiplicatively, meaning that you can't really get someone to -100%MS. E.g If you have 20 slows on someone that reduce their MS by 20%, the result isn't -300% MS, it's .8^20, resulting in ~1.1% MS. Eliwan and Baggins 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legomancer Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 1% movement speed is practically 0 movement in this game where you have to move quickly to survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhaleTits Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 thats not the point................... that was an exaggeration to demonstrate the mechanics of a slow in AoS. Psyght and Wrath 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doxthefox Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 What about negative movement speed aka walk in the opposite direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 What about negative movement speed aka walk in the opposite direction. What about moonwalk Misantrophy and Legacy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midknight Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Slows stack multiplicatively, meaning that you can't really get someone to -100%MS. E.g If you have 20 slows on someone that reduce their MS by 20%, the result isn't -300% MS, it's .8^20, resulting in ~1.1% MS. This is correct. The only way to immobilize someone by move-speed debuff is by having one that cuts it by 100% all in one go (just like spell resist, only Boros's Spellstorm which gives 100% SR will bring it all the way down to zero spell damage taken while 5x 20% SR wouldn't make you spell immune). IIRC, there are a couple of abilities coded to give 100% move speed reduction that work as "immobilize" effects (though, I don't remember off-hand exactly which ones), but it has to be all one shot; 100% move speed reduction as a single effect. Baggins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doxthefox Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 What about moonwalk We could have a character that does this for us. It will be drakes rival. His moves will invert the characters sense of direction. Up is down, left is right. Front is back. We can call the character shinji hirako. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhaleTits Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 i proposed an item a while ago that was a reverse impact dial. pushed the target backwards instead of forwards. Eliwan and Legacy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aellectris Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 1% movement speed is practically 0 movement in this game where you have to move quickly to survive. You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. doxthefox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midknight Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 1% movement speed is practically 0 movement in this game where you have to move quickly to survive. Too bad that argument doesn't work when a cop pulls you over for a rolling stop... Rem 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 100% MS reduction, aka stun :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 100% MS reduction, aka stun :p aka root* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted January 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Well, yeah root, because Derpzilla could just bunny hop adorably away, if he could actually survive my combo >:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midknight Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 100% MS reduction, aka stun :p Stun means you can't move, attack, or cast spells. 100% MS reduction just means you can't move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letherl Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Stun means you can't move, attack, or cast spells. 100% MS reduction just means you can't move. So unix fungal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midknight Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Unix's Fungal and (I think) Vorpal's Javelin are the only two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doxthefox Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 aka root* aka root* Aka snare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phyresis Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Aka snare Aka stop command Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itsthatguy Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I believe that heroes have a base +0.4 flat movement speed that doesn't get effected by slows. So if you hero has 2.8 + 0.4 movement speed and you lose 50% movement speed. It should be lowered by -1.4 movement speed and not -1.6 movement speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliwan Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 It's actually +0.5 after slows. It's [MS * (1 - Slow%)... * (1 + Haste%)...] +0.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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