Doom Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Sometimes, recommended item builds are bad, and confuse new users. But this is just a whole new level of painful. All the lings I've seen in the past month or so, have been noobs, and bought this item. Half the Zeratul players also. It really screws up their game, and makes their heroes seem actually balanced, so can you please remove Eye of Duran from their recommended item builds and fix this grievous error? Damn, meant to put this in suggestions, somehow misclicked, if mod could move.... FruitNinja and Legacy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qlx Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 A button mashing monkey could come up with a better build then the recommended one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhaleTits Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 ask highdrater about my 4 eye of duran crackling ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg Chimera 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKatz Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Sometimes, recommended item builds are bad, and confuse new users. But this is just a whole new level of painful. All the lings I've seen in the past month or so, have been noobs, and bought this item. Half the Zeratul players also. It really screws up their game, and makes their heroes seem actually balanced, so can you please remove Eye of Duran from their recommended item builds and fix this grievous error? Damn, meant to put this in suggestions, somehow misclicked, if mod could move.... Lol. Legacy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akanna Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Recommended items on most heros are total derp, really need to redo most of them The builds are just plain bad Its not limited to 1 item Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogwarts Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 eye is decent on a jungle or a roaming aa what it offers for the price is not half bad LiquidDog 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Sometimes, recommended item builds are bad, and confuse new users. But this is just a whole new level of painful. All the lings I've seen in the past month or so, have been noobs, and bought this item. Half the Zeratul players also. It really screws up their game, and makes their heroes seem actually balanced, so can you please remove Eye of Duran from their recommended item builds and fix this grievous error? Damn, meant to put this in suggestions, somehow misclicked, if mod could move.... Dude... dude, dude have you seen the recommended build for Vergil? Ocelot, Shadowmourne, Masamune, Stars Fury, Sunflare, I mean... I'm pretty sure is totally random, I would recommend devs to make senseful recommended builds or at least, let the user delete, and make their own for each hero, I play almost every hero (unless some boring heros like shadow, kerrigan, nova etc) and I only have 8 builds to build, so it could be nice if the recommended ones were not idiotic, or at least, make us able to change them... How many ppl I've seen with the flobing Masamune on Vergil as second item? flob this, they will not learn the game that way! Oh, and as Quidditch said, Eye of Duran is very good item on a jungle, the stats for the prize are good, and the utility is a lot, and Africana proved it in several ih with that item on Zeratul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhaleTits Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 not going to happen, anyways. the recommended items are intentionally derp... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 not going to happen, anyways. the recommended items are intentionally derp... Why is that intended? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhaleTits Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 players should be encouraged to try new and different builds to determine for themselves what they like/think is the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliwan Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Also because Ekcolnovkol's the one who programs those in; and they fit with how the hero was originally designed to play as-- for example, when Molgloo was changed to an STR psuedo-tank... his items were all the same ones, still. P= And when Vorpal was changed from STR to AGI... his build was still an STR based build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phyresis Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 May as well make a standard Str build, standard Agi build, and a standard Int build that appears for every hero of that type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuparu Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Item is decent :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Posted January 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Whatever it's uses, my point is that new players think that this item is worth it just for the stats, and don't go jungle, don't use it to scout well, don't use this item to it's full potential. This item can be used well, by people that know how, but the noobs that know that zeratul and ling are relatively easy, don't know that this item is probably not worth it on a regular playstyle still get it, and it sets them back by a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EterNity Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Implying pubber actually follow recommended items. As far as I know, the very last time, recommended items were suggest was way back on the 1st month of the introduction of 6.0. It does make sense but with all the item changes and patches, we do need an update. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Also because Ekcolnovkol's the one who programs those in; and they fit with how the hero was originally designed to play as-- for example, when Molgloo was changed to an STR psuedo-tank... his items were all the same ones, still. P= And when Vorpal was changed from STR to AGI... his build was still an STR based build. and vergil is designed to play as a derp nerd retard idiot hero? shadowmourne, masamune, stars fury, soul silver what kind of build is that? Eliwan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOSmaster Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 doesnt make sense to have this on AA char. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Most of the newbs who just started will follow the recommended items because thats what thier team tells them. They need somebody to change them... And if you mouse over it, it says why this item would be good for you to buy. @Whaletits Just because you and your proness does well with it, do you think the beginner pubbie trying crackling will know what to do? Since i know what pubbies like... Easy builds with no active item or very little usage. I could make a few for them if you guys would like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaper Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Most of the newbs who just started will follow the recommended items because thats what thier team tells them. They need somebody to change them... And if you mouse over it, it says why this item would be good for you to buy. @Whaletits Just because you and your proness does well with it, do you think the beginner pubbie trying crackling will know what to do? Since i know what pubbies like... Easy builds with no active item or very little usage. I could make a few for them if you guys would like. yeah i dont think u know what pubbies like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darit Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Instead of a recommended final build, why not put a recommended Starting or even a Core build (ala Dota 2), I find that giving people an idea of the important items in a normal 'standard' build for a hero and also giving them some leeway into building it would be the best outcome rather than figuring a be-all-end-all build for each character. Preference in leaning towards Early->Mid game item recommendations like potions/wards/consumables and transitional items like a few first tiers like... heck I dunno stuff that is under 2500 minerals and wouldn't be that bad to sell mid-lategame for a better item. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mus Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 The devs could just use Whale's mini guide for every hero to make good recommended item builds. I would also say that the devs should post a link of Whale's guide in the how to play section. And if Ben were to update his AoS guide that could also be posted in the how to play section. Legacy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhaleTits Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 The devs could just use Whale's mini guide for every hero to make good recommended item builds. I would also say that the devs should post a link of Whale's guide in the how to play section. And if Ben were to update his AoS guide that could also be posted in the how to play section. that is what was intended. i just got lazy and didn't finish the miniguides lol --- not going to happen, anyways. the recommended items are intentionally derp... Most of the newbs who just started will follow the recommended items because thats what thier team tells them. They need somebody to change them... And if you mouse over it, it says why this item would be good for you to buy. @Whaletits Just because you and your proness does well with it, do you think the beginner pubbie trying crackling will know what to do? Since i know what pubbies like... Easy builds with no active item or very little usage. I could make a few for them if you guys would like. :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWaterJustIce Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Moved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 @Reaper I have never played an ih in my life, so you cant accuse me of "making terrible IH item builds". Its easier for someone who only played pubs to make builds for them then ih players who think teamwork actually happens in pubs. Most pubbies are drunk/on crack so they dont want anything too complicated.... Like 1 or 2 actives but thats about it, not 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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