NoWaterJustIce Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 This selection of posts came from the End of an Era tournament thread and i thought i would clear up some of the clutter if we made this one in a separate thread. I probably wont be playing in the tournament but can someone explain to me why Geneva is Autobanned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestPlayer Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 I probably wont be playing in the tournament but can someone explain to me why Geneva is Autobanned? Bekause it is autobanned in EU. Why is Marineking not autobanned yet???????????????????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWaterJustIce Posted January 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Why is Geneva auto banned in eu? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestPlayer Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Why is Geneva auto banned in eu? Bekause EU thinks its owerpowered, why else would it be autobanned? Again I ask where MarinoKinga baN????????+ EDIT ALSO READ THE THREAD =D TBC = to be confirmed Relocalizer is used to swap between regions one of EU auto's are Geneva, she is extremely strong in team fights. but if people could convince me otherwise, go ahead :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWaterJustIce Posted January 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Extremely strong in teamfights doesnt tell me anything... Drake is extremely good in team fights as well as toxi and vorpal and many others, And none of them are auto banned. I just dont see why she should be auto banned, other than that people refuse to try and counter and just cry op. She doesnt win it for teams she just helps a good team do better like any support should. Misantrophy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestPlayer Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Extremely strong in teamfights doesnt tell me anything... Drake is extremely good in team fights as well as toxi and vorpal and many others, And none of them are auto banned. I just dont see why she should be auto banned, other than that people refuse to try and counter and just cry op. She doesnt win it for teams she just helps a good team do better like any support should. Like old Egon, right, who was not used in NA inhouse and then shap on eweryone the whole tournament and then deklared OP. Anyway you are free to aktually prowide arguments as to whether genewa is strong or not, instead of just doing the tired old "Hogwarts Argument" of saying something like "EU should stop krying and learn to play" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWaterJustIce Posted January 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Like old Egon, right, who was not used in NA inhouse and then shap on eweryone the whole tournament and then deklared OP. Anyway you are free to aktually prowide arguments as to whether genewa is strong or not, instead of just doing the tired old "Hogwarts Argument" of saying something like "EU should stop krying and learn to play" I have nothing to make an argument against because i dont know what they think is too strong, is it the q that heals one target? is it the blind or the dmg that blind does, is it the aoe shields, or is it the ult that makes someone else invincible for 2.75 seconds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyght Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 I have nothing to make an argument against because i dont know what they think is too strong, is it the q that heals one target? is it the blind or the dmg that blind does, is it the aoe shields, or is it the ult that makes someone else invincible for 2.75 seconds? its the ulti mate, its gay that geneva can ulti a micro, who can blink into an entire team, throw someone and get out with 0 damage done to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWaterJustIce Posted January 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 its the ulti mate, its gay that geneva can ulti a micro, who can blink into an entire team, throw someone and get out with 0 damage done to him taser Micro, lockbock Micro, stun Micro, silence micro, walk away from him... so many counters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestZeratul Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 I love how in a discussion with NA players they told me it was impossible to taser cyprus before he got his combo off; but when it's about micro who has a third of the number of spells to cast to do his job suddenly it's possible. You guys are priceless whenever you talk about balance, I should create a file with quotes for my personal enjoyment. BestPlayer, JustBooom and Arson 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Eh..... why would you do damage to the micro, even if you could, even if he didn't have a second blink to get away? Geneva ultimate is completely countered by lockbox, because if the problem is that you cannot damage something while it damage you, the solution can be to find a way to damage it, OR MAKE SURE IT DOES NOTHING BACK AT YOU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWaterJustIce Posted January 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 I love how in a discussion with NA players they told me it was impossible to taser cyprus before he got his combo off; but when it's about micro who has a third of the number of spells to cast to do his job suddenly it's possible. You guys are priceless whenever you talk about balance, I should create a file with quotes for my personal enjoyment. I never said that. While it is hard to taser those heros its not impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWaterJustIce Posted January 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 I had a chat with an eu member on mumble the other day about medic and apparently the reason they auto ban it is because of her ulti. The reason being that he didnt like having to swtich targets, time his spells, or buy an appropriate counter item. I realize that when Geneva ulties she is going to cancel out some to a lot of dmg, but it is her ult, having it actually do something is ok. People never complain that you have to buy shrapnel, E mantle, and other items to counter aa heros, or taser for other heros. Why is it such a big problem then that someone might have to actually buy an item or actually think before spamming all their skills to counter geneva. It seems to me that EU and some in NA just auto ban her because they dont like her not because she is too strong or uncounterable. - Any form of cc on the target she ultied will counter it. (Lock box, shapnel, and taser work great for this) - try to kill the medic, people seem to think that just because she isnt doing any dmg means that they can ignore her. xNOVAxPRIMEx, akanna and Misantrophy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogwarts Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 medic should not be auto banned ROFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shab Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 medic should not be auto banned ROFL Aren't you the guy who lost to pubs? Diipadaapa, Revolution and BestPlayer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestZeratul Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Aren't you the guy who lost to pubs? Yes yet he talks about balance lmao roflmao. Shab, Revolution and BestPlayer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWaterJustIce Posted January 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Nobody has yet to give a reason why medic should actually be auto banned and i have given good reasons for her to be available to play. It seems to me that medic is fine and everyone else knows it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinGofDaBerG Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Nobody has yet to give a reason why medic should actually be auto banned and i have given good reasons for her to be available to play. It seems to me that medic is fine and everyone else knows it too. Ur right quitsmann but ur reason for say she's not is not great I mean what was it, taser, team play etc... look the pointh is this hero shouldn't be in the front she should be in the back supporting the shap out of her team. So tasIng her is ridiculous, that blind that makes ur initiators useless her ultimate put on certain heroes that u need to kill or they kill u a lot quicker then the tanks ssitting around the carry... there is only one solution in a team fight against Geneva and that run and wait for her ultimate to finish yet now ur on the back foot and her skills are quite spammy as it.... she is just far superior in team fight the most of the heroes in this game and if u don't believe that there is a concern... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWaterJustIce Posted January 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Ur right quitsmann but ur reason for say she's not is not great I mean what was it, taser, team play etc... look the pointh is this hero shouldn't be in the front she should be in the back supporting the shap out of her team. So tasIng her is ridiculous, that blind that makes ur initiators useless her ultimate put on certain heroes that u need to kill or they kill u a lot quicker then the tanks ssitting around the carry... there is only one solution in a team fight against Geneva and that run and wait for her ultimate to finish yet now ur on the back foot and her skills are quite spammy as it.... she is just far superior in team fight the most of the heroes in this game and if u don't believe that there is a concern... I know she is a great team fight hero, but there is nothing wrong with a hero that is good. When i said taser i wasnt talking about using it on geneva, when she uses her ult to make someone immune to dmg they are still affected by debuffs. So one way to counter her ult is to shrapnel for aa heros, taser for casters, or just lockbox in general will cancel out her ulti. And that is only if your team cant handle switching targerts, which i admit is difficult especially with the meta of people trying to throw everything they have at 1 hero to burst them down. I would say that most of the time people overkill heros when they are trying to burst them down and need to conserve their abilities better even more so if there is a geneva in the game. There is nothing wrong with genevas ult, people just dont want to try and counter it which is funny because people dont mind spending 1/3 of their item slots on countering an aa hero or getting spell resist for a burst caster. Just because she is a support doesnt mean you dont need to counter her(nobody calls op when half the other team has to buy a pralax because there is a rory in the game) as well and generally speaking a team will have a shrapnel and taser anyways. Misantrophy, akanna, Skydie and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydie Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Geneva = easy hero to counter. So much to the point that she's barely played. When teams get multiple cloaks/parallax/team support items I don't see what's the issue with getting a lockbox for the hero which is most likely to be receiving Geneva's ulti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWaterJustIce Posted January 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 For those who think that geneva is too strong what would you do to fix her? A few changes to her ult that i could see that wouldnt make it useless would be changing it to one of the following: - Reduce invulnerable duration to 2-2.25 seconds - Have the ulti give 2000/3000/4000(+100%int shields) for 2.5-3 seconds - Heros affected by the ult cant take fatal dmg for 4-5 seconds instead of total dmg immunity - Leave it alone because it is fine as is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takeray Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 My answer: No. But I don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogwarts Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Aren't you the guy who lost to pubs? rofl ? why bm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 For those who think that geneva is too strong what would you do to fix her? A few changes to her ult that i could see that wouldnt make it useless would be changing it to one of the following: - Reduce invulnerable duration to 2-2.25 seconds - Have the ulti give 2000/3000/4000(+100%int shields) for 2.5-3 seconds - Heros affected by the ult cant take fatal dmg for 4-5 seconds instead of total dmg immunity - Leave it alone because it is fine as is. last one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misantrophy Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 There is nothing wrong with genevas ult, people just dont want to try and counter it which is funny because people dont mind spending 1/3 of their item slots on countering an aa hero or getting spell resist for a burst caster. Just because she is a support doesnt mean you dont need to counter her(nobody calls op when half the other team has to buy a pralax because there is a rory in the game) as well and generally speaking a team will have a shrapnel and taser anyways. I think that argument is strong enough to say he's right lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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