VasyaKot Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Lvl 1 Erekul ulti does 15% of the target's missing hp + your int as true damage. With this, you can take down only those heroes who have lesser than 20% health. This is considered to "balanced", but at the same time cyprus ulti does something like 600 spell damage (with pillars and scaling). This is often above 60% hp of a squishy agi hero. I am not speaking of late game erekul, he is from another world, but his early ult is really weak. It cant be more effective than cyprus ulti EVEN against tanks, because they have 1000-1500 health at this point of the game. I realize that erekul is not a burst caster, but his ulti is actually viable only for finishing really low hp enemies, 1 second stunning and trolling/ks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhaleTits Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 but its also a stun... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takeray Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Don't touch Erekul!. His ulti has various uses, like finisher or stun A caster with good healing and tanking ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomulf Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Yeah Erekul's ulti is great burst lategame, the thing is that with his passive and heal he can beat nearly enemy early on with attrition- he doesn't NEED a stronger ulti, it's just to finish the enemies off when they get worn down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayn Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 yet he is awefully easy to counter: dont aa him. considering the recent nerf in pyre and the declining of aa viability, spellcasters are getting more prominent which is sort of making erekul less viable ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallyiguana Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 The difference between cyprus and erekul, Erekuls is true damage. People can have spell resist against cyprus...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayn Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 i add at least 30% disagreement to that statement xD also if cyp makes enemies stack spell resist he has done his job for the team :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooky Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Cyprus is doing his job when he is able to take down enemy carry. All heroes need some basic spell resist anyway. Usually tank hero gets Spell Buffer, while others can get very cheap tea extract and it should be enough against any caster to not get one-shot. So I don't agree with your statement. If presence of some hero would force others to get some very uncommon item/build then yes, I would agree. But spell resist isn't sth uncommon. Even for carries there are specific items like Galactic Defender or Scythe Sliptide which doesn't makes carries builds worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayn Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 actually buffer+1 item wont suffice unless you build extra health, which means at least 2-3 items for spell defense. the point is that cyp forces to either build hp/spell resist to not get 1shot and he forces that upon any nearly non-str char. this is quite cutting into the offensive power of your enemies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letherl Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 I want 50% health lost back :3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasyD Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Bossmerg taser lays them both to rest /thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 You are comparing a burst caster to a caster tank. And I have to laugh at your tags for this thread. Underpowered? Erekul is broken as flob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furystorm Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 cyprus = DD Erekul = Tank. WTF? U want erekul with cyprus dd ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayn Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 actually dont want anything, just saying erekuls only strong when hes getting AA'd, else hes basically a nearly harmless target imho. while other heroes i.e. cyp have more (!) viability no matter the enemy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWaterJustIce Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 actually dont want anything, just saying erekuls only strong when hes getting AA'd, else hes basically a nearly harmless target imho. while other heroes i.e. cyp have more (!) viability no matter the enemy. Heros like cyp also get killed if someone aa's them ;) erekul is one of the better teamfight tanks there is(viable in almost every team comp), if you focus him he doesnt die because he can spam his q healing his team and himself, and if you ignore him he dmgs all enemies with his passive and insures a kill every teamfight with his ult. Though one thing they both have in common that if they get tasered they are both *&%^&^%$*%^# Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VasyaKot Posted January 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 The difference between cyprus and erekul, Erekuls is true damage. People can have spell resist against cyprus...... Cyprus is doing his job when he is able to take down enemy carry. All heroes need some basic spell resist anyway. Usually tank hero gets Spell Buffer, while others can get very cheap tea extract and it should be enough against any caster to not get one-shot. So I don't agree with your statement. If presence of some hero would force others to get some very uncommon item/build then yes, I would agree. But spell resist isn't sth uncommon. Even for carries there are specific items like Galactic Defender or Scythe Sliptide which doesn't makes carries builds worse I dont think that someone at level 6-8 has any serious spell resist. You are comparing a burst caster to a caster tank. And I have to laugh at your tags for this thread. Underpowered? Erekul is broken as flob. cyprus = DD Erekul = Tank. WTF? U want erekul with cyprus dd ? Nope erekul CAN be tank. He can be pure int/cd reduction caster too. Yet he will be tanky even without tank items. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VasyaKot Posted January 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 You are comparing a burst caster to a caster tank. And I have to laugh at your tags for this thread. Underpowered? Erekul is broken as flob. You would better laugh about the random tags in general chat section. These are completely meaningless :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itsthatguy Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 Nope erekul CAN be tank. He can be pure int/cd reduction caster too. Yet he will be tanky even without tank items. Why would u ever build erekul as a pure AA//Caster hero. He is basicly a melee ranged hero, who scales most of his damage on getting attacked by enemies and their max % of hp. A Tank erekul will do more damage if he is being attacked than a Caster erekul because Tank erekul can survive hits and thus get off more [Q]s in a shorter duration and sometimes even mutiple finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VasyaKot Posted January 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 Mmm i dont think the enemy will stupidly attack erekul in teamfights, they will focus him after his team is finished. And the cd reduction is going to be nice on him, it maybe can make int erekul spam q faster than an attacked tank erekul. Alongside with Timescale/Spell dmg from yamato, argus unique, and raw 400+ int, late game he is a monster. And he was op with spell leech. Oh and AA erekul is an option. Going for pyre or sunflare as a first item for him is worth it, i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 After reading a few dozen of your posts, and several of your threads, I've come to a conclusion... your neither very bright or good at this game are you vask? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VasyaKot Posted January 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 After reading a few dozen of your posts, and several of your threads, I've come to a conclusion... your neither very bright or good at this game are you vask? What is this word "vask" Google translator dos not help :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 ....Its an abbreviation of your own chosen screen name... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinesashi Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 Win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VasyaKot Posted January 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 ....Its an abbreviation of your own chosen screen name... Maybe you should make abbrevations more understandably. I do not see any reason for you posting those conclusions in the thread. If you want it so badly PM me, and I will gladly read and discuss it with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliwan Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 I don't get how you could possibly get Vask from "VasyaKot". I mean, "Vasya" or "Kot" I could understand, but Vask just looks like somebody confusing Flask and Vase. Which I admit was very funny to read over. Personally I think Erekul's ulti is fine; it's a little weak but it's not that bad; especially considering how his Heroic Passive works. What I think is a problem is his W... Doom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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