Letherl Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 Is there a way to make his vortex stop all effects/debuffs on him? but they happen again afterwords? it would cancel channels like raynor ulti and drakes. but if he was shrapnel'd then shrapnel would still be in effect after the vortex instead of 2 sec gone in the vortex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliwan Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 So you mean that units in Vortex are paused? Also Raynor's Ulti is broken if Shadow vortexes Shadow or Raynor, and you can ninja Drake's ulti with a Vortex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firnefex Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 All I have seen is that his ulti aborts or misses. You mean that the shooot already comes out and then Vortex change to a nuclear-knockup-blast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letherl Posted December 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 So you mean that units in Vortex are paused? Also Raynor's Ulti is broken if Shadow vortexes Shadow or Raynor, and you can ninja Drake's ulti with a Vortex. If you just vortex yourself then you would pause but everything else would go, so like all skill that hit you in there don't do anything, but debuffs and such that tick like shrapnel would still be in effect when you come out. I think that shadow can just use vortex to escape too easily and it counters just about anything already. Im not saying its op i just think it could be changed a little Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qlx Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 I will personally tear your head of if you say Shadow is too easy or Op. He's imba when following or trying to aim but also countered easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuparu Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 Shadow op, can't be killed in 1 shot if he's in vortex :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 I will personally tear your head of if you say Shadow is too easy or Op. He's imba when following or trying to aim but also countered easily. OP =/= easy. He is not OP, but ridiculously easy. If I wanted to prove my point as I did with Boros, I think I, and for that matter, anyone could just get stepping strikes, and stat boost and hard carry the game. Most other heroes have combo's or special tricks that ensure they play better. Shadow doesn't and nor does he need one. He is an a move hero and using q,w, or r is not even needed half the time. In a high level game, that changes, because shadow is almost UP when people put and pay attention to wards, thus ganking him in jungle, or preventing his ganks to go successfully. In a pub, using q, w, or r is usually only needed when up against nova/drake/member of holy trinity/voltron, and is pointless theatrics against anyone else, since shadow will kill them regardless. Ironsights 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironsights Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 I will personally tear your head of if you say Shadow is too easy or Op. He's imba when following or trying to aim but also countered easily. ok, Im not really entering this thread for the right reasons, I know, but as someone who has started playing shadow from time to time, he really is SUPER easy to play. Sure, he is easy to counter and no he is NOT op, but be honest here its not like he is a hard hero to get the hang of. Basically, what Doom said above me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letherl Posted December 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 I will personally tear your head of if you say Shadow is too easy or Op. He's imba when following or trying to aim but also countered easily. Im not saying hes op, im saying because he is so easy he should not be able to just escape/cancel everything with his vortex. right now its "hey raynor want to ult? well you cant" "hey you bought shrapnel? no problem" "molgloo want to catch me? good luck" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitNinja Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 I like shadow's vortex, but that combined with his ult, Q, and stepping strikes makes him annoying as hell to fight, and it doesn't really make him viable when mias are called and people listen. Replacing one of shadows's abilities with another way of doing damage might break the tradition (he has almost exactly the same skillset as 1.0) but it would go a long way in making him less of an exclusive pubstomper and more of a viable pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuparu Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 OP =/= easy. He is not OP, but ridiculously easy. If I wanted to prove my point as I did with Boros, I think I, and for that matter, anyone could just get stepping strikes, and stat boost and hard carry the game. Most other heroes have combo's or special tricks that ensure they play better. Shadow doesn't and nor does he need one. He is an a move hero and using q,w, or r is not even needed half the time. In a high level game, that changes, because shadow is almost UP when people put and pay attention to wards, thus ganking him in jungle, or preventing his ganks to go successfully. In a pub, using q, w, or r is usually only needed when up against nova/drake/member of holy trinity/voltron, and is pointless theatrics against anyone else, since shadow will kill them regardless. LOL i'd love to see a good voltron lose to a shadow, get barbed/axe/argus/shrink ray/pyre/khali and you'd melt shade like he's a bucket of ice cream in a summer morning. BUT the rest of your points are true. Yeah, shade is the true definition of a A-Move win hero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francuz Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 LOL i'd love to see a good voltron lose to a shadow, get barbed/axe/argus/shrink ray/pyre/khali and you'd melt shade like he's a bucket of ice cream in a summer morning. Vortex ulti taser use yamatoo active and watch voltron die because he has 0 hp with this build. Ofc if both of them attack eachother shadow will die in seconds. Shadow will just have to w8 for a good opportunity to attack because he is not very demanding in terms of skills but shadow requires good map awarness, positioning, knowing when to strike. He requires very little micro - very annyoing to change targets after shade/vortex but not difficult to keep attacking someone because of stepping strikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letherl Posted December 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 I like shadow's vortex, but that combined with his ult, Q, and stepping strikes makes him annoying as hell to fight, and it doesn't really make him viable when mias are called and people listen. Replacing one of shadows's abilities with another way of doing damage might break the tradition (he has almost exactly the same skillset as 1.0) but it would go a long way in making him less of an exclusive pubstomper and more of a viable pick. nono don't replace the skill because i love his vortex too. I just think it should be tweaked a little bit so that it is not used to escape all ults, engagements. But rather used only to catch up escape in more of a 1v1 situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalTorak Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 nono don't replace the skill because i love his vortex too. I just think it should be tweaked a little bit so that it is not used to escape all ults, engagements. But rather used only to catch up escape in more of a 1v1 situation if thats the case, shadow would now have almost an identical ability to LZ's Q.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itsthatguy Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 When Shadow Vortexes, it is like an AoE Lockbox XD (That gives movement speed buff to allies, and movement speed debuff to enemies). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamantium Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Except unix can still channel his ulti on heroes inside the vortex. Shadow Unix lane ftw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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