Why buff unix?

[mynhauzen]

Anyone knows why the buff was needed? Unix was really good before. I would have 80-90% winrate in my pubs before the buff. Why buff him even more? He doesnt need mana, doesnt need hp, he can teleport with items, can do HUGE damage, can counter most 1v1-ers. Can aoe, can push against 90% heroes a mid lane. Why buff him?

[Ironsights]

I think it was to give him another trap honestly.

 

With 8 marines, you can fairly easily wall someone in, fungal them, ulti them, and let mariens chew on them

 

While I agree that unix was really good, especially in pubs, he never really had that "wtf" ability that most casters have. Now, he's one step closer to being truly scary, as oppossed to just being a lane pusher.

[BestPlayer]

Marine dps needs to be nerfed, q speed mowement reduktion on lower lewels needs to be redused, ult should get boosted by own maksimum hp again.

 

DO that and suddenly uniks is a ganger again

[Rem]

I do have to say being gooped and marine raped for fb by a lvl 3 unix with vet next to my own tower is pretty annoying.....

[BestPlayer]

I do have to say being gooped and marine raped for fb by a lvl 3 unix with vet next to my own tower is pretty annoying.....

Marine dps atm is ridikulously high early- and midgame, and marines are utterly useless lategame kause they die too easily.

[akanna]

Marine dps atm is ridikulously high early- and midgame, and marines are utterly useless lategame kause they die too easily.

 

Yeah but his ult is BS in late game just like cyp so it all balances out ;)

 

Dunno why ppl think unix is "weak" he rapes early to mid game because no one can see him

And in the late game he is great for support kills and his ult does craptons of damage

Being able to box ppl in after fungaling is really really strong

 

Thats why null got nerfed remember, he would use 4 FFs to trap and lay into you and it was just too strong

The low health on marines helps offset this, if you buff it it would start to get too strong as a trap

 

Not going to lie plenty of people were making a straight line wall with 6 marines before and it killed just fine due to how long it takes to walk around the edges, this buff really didnt seem warranted at all... Unix shouldn't be killing off tanks and they are the only ones who have enough HP to warrant a total box in strategy....

 

You are wrong about marines being useless late game, they are super useful in the late game for pushing due to the creep snowballing

 

I dont think anyone likes to lane against unix atm, and that says something....

(cept maybe boros....SS makes unix cry)

[Ironsights]

I know unix is a solid lane pusher, but seriously, shoot the marines.

 

Whenever I am playing unix, anyone who bothers to kill the marines can more or less negate unix's perceived early game advantage.

[Skydie]

Yeah but his ult is BS in late game just like cyp so it all balances out ;)

 

Cyprus's ultimate isn't BS lategame :D. It's BS Midgame, lategame its more used for kill stealing (:D)/kill securing/bursting down a select person during pile. I also think Unix needs buffs because late game he is inevitably not that strong, due to carries getting exponentially powerful lategame and being able to cancel unix ulti then destroy unix (so funny chasing unix).

[Takeray]

Unix is really good now.

 

Early-mid-late. Maybe late he requires some core items fighting 1vs1 in some case like jackson did/do with warp shard/ SHC but even without this he had a defined role.

[Hogwarts]

unix ult is raped by any stun....

[Firnefex]

But you have to be lucky to get that stun with Stun Baton until you have max Weapon Speed because he drains you to death in 2 seconds if you aren't a tank!

And if you are a tank you don't get Stun Baton and die in 5 seconds...

 

Sure there are few heroes that can handle Fungal+Brainsap, but most heroes are screwed.

If you get an early elixir, they will gank you for sure.

[Hogwarts]

But you have to be lucky to get that stun with Stun Baton until you have max Weapon Speed because he drains you to death in 2 seconds if you aren't a tank!

And if you are a tank you don't get Stun Baton and die in 5 seconds...

 

Sure there are few heroes that can handle Fungal+Brainsap, but most heroes are screwed.

If you get an early elixir, they will gank you for sure.

 

most heroes are screwed?

 

 

all of these heros counter his ult

 

micro

jackson

null

rancor

raynor

tosh

jak summers

darpa

shadow

boros

drake

brine

vorpal

cow

cain

zertural

grunty

rory

ereukl

egon

queen

doctor

barlog

 

thats what 24 heroes? out of 40 heroes period

 

yea unix gets countered by a lot of heroes bro

[Eliwan]

Most of your selected counters don't live long enough to survive a Taser-Fungal-Brain Sap.

 

Therefore... no.

[Frosti]

i played against a unix with boros yesterday and it's still shap cuz i was nearly dead before i was able to use that bubble. so even if ulti doesn't kill u at full hp it sucks cuz u'd need to heal and can#t rly defend your tower.

[Hogwarts]

Most of your selected counters don't live long enough to survive a Taser-Fungal-Brain Sap.

 

Therefore... no.

 

fun fact ......

 

the post was not including items, the guy never said anything about a tazer all of the heroes i posted have a natural escape method to counter unix

 

and if u wana include a tazer into the mix then 40 out of 40 heros counters unix with guess what.... a tazer

[Firnefex]

i played against a unix with boros yesterday and it's still shap cuz i was nearly dead before i was able to use that bubble. so even if ulti doesn't kill u at full hp it sucks cuz u'd need to heal and can#t rly defend your tower.

This.

 

most heroes are screwed?

 

 

all of these heros counter his ult

 

micro

jackson

null

rancor

raynor

tosh

jak summers

darpa

shadow

boros

drake

brine

vorpal

cow

cain

zertural

grunty

rory

ereukl

egon

queen

doctor

barlog

 

thats what 24 heroes? out of 40 heroes period

 

yea unix gets countered by a lot of heroes bro

Before heroes like Raynor use their casttime-spell, they are already dead.

Jakk have to switch weapons and wait for a second then cast-> dead.

How can Cow counter this combo? He has no stun/silence.

Grunty's rocket has to hit, often there are creeps around.

Rory's Rebounder is so slow, maybe then Rory is already dead.

Erekul, Queen, Geneva Ulti? Sure, Unix can do this again few seconds later and then?

 

Furthermore Unix has only to wait until his victim has used escape spell, or use a Taser like Eliwan said...

[Hogwarts]

This.

 

 

Before heroes like Raynor use their casttime-spell, they are already dead. - if you die before you can get a shot off, then your doing something wrong

Jakk have to switch weapons and wait for a second then cast-> if your dieing in the whole .5 secs it takes to swap weapons etc.. your doing something wrong

How can Cow counter this combo? He has no stun/silence. - toilet just get inside

Grunty's rocket has to hit, often there are creeps around. - meh fair enough this game is very situational but the rocket still stuns like a boss

Rory's Rebounder is so slow, maybe then Rory is already dead. - simply not true unless the unix is fed already

Erekul, Queen, Geneva Ulti? Sure, Unix can do this again few seconds later and then? - obv you run...

 

Furthermore Unix has only to wait until his victim has used escape spell, or use a Taser like Eliwan said... - if your dieing to a unix over and over its your responsibility to not die to him any more. i.e buy an elexier and a tazer your self, if the unix tazers you first then its lack of map awareness and micro on your part not that unix is op

 

im noy saying unix is UP by any means but unix can get cc'd so hard its not funny, unix is in no way OP, as with any hero with the right items and being fed unix can be extremly strong but the hero its self is not OP

 

see my responses in red

[zeeeend]

I'd like to raise your counters with my troll. burrow under a tank/thor so you can't be targeted then ulti combo, or use highground.

 

Lets see that takes care of

rancor

darpa (i count the silence not the jump)

brine ( i count the silence not the burrow)

rory

erekul

egon

 

If that wasn't enough i go duran, tpi, taser.

Lets see that takes care of... everything (not counting paralax)

[Hogwarts]

I'd like to raise your counters with my troll. burrow under a tank/thor so you can't be targeted then ulti combo, or use highground.

 

Lets see that takes care of

rancor

darpa (i count the silence not the jump)

brine ( i count the silence not the burrow)

rory

erekul

egon

 

If that wasn't enough i go duran, tpi, taser.

Lets see that takes care of... everything (not counting paralax)

 

..... cause having a tank every 5 waves u can burrow under and the tank moves makes a hero op .... your making this post just to argue, this game is about position and situational game play, if your using the map effectively to your advantage thats just good game play

 

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on a side note im not sure but i think a smoke bomb cancels unix ult cause unix ult breaks if there is no vision i.e up a ramp in shadows ult etc...

[akanna]

fun fact ......

 

the post was not including items, the guy never said anything about a tazer all of the heroes i posted have a natural escape method to counter unix

 

and if u wana include a tazer into the mix then 40 out of 40 heros counters unix with guess what.... a tazer

 

You cant use taser/escape mechanisms while you are fungaled bro ;)

You'd have to get the taser off before the ult even started (before you got fungaled)

But your list was for countering his ult once its started, so we are assuming you didn't do that

 

So while I agree that those heros you listed CAN counter unix's ult, 80-90% of them would not live long enough to do it

 

Fungal + Marine wall/box + Brain sap + Taser as the fungal is about to wear off

Thats 9 seconds of you cant use any abilities to counter, you aren't really able to move away, and you are being hit by marines and unix's ult, so unless one of your teammates bails you out by stunning/silencing/killing unix, you're screwed without a stun baton

 

Having a stun baton would bring it down to about 7 seconds(if you have max attack speed), since you'd need to get 5 hits in, so you could stop his ult, but your health would be low enough at that point that the marines could probably still kill you before you were able to activate any skills.

[Hogwarts]

You cant use taser/escape mechanisms while you are fungaled bro ;)

 

As for your list of heros that counter, I agree that those heros CAN counter unix, but 90% of them will not live long enough to do it

 

Fungal + Marine wall/box + Brain sap + Taser as the fungal is about to wear off

Thats 9 seconds of you cant use any abilities to counter, you aren't really able to move away, and you are being hit by marines and unix's ult

 

Sorry but that will kill pretty much anyone (even with mad spell resist grav edge would still deal you enough true damage to kill you)

 

if u dont tazer the unix first then its ur lack of micro.... its not a broken hero u do know fungle only roots right? u can use items and abilities when fungled

[Firnefex]

if u dont tazer the unix first then its ur lack of micro.... its not a broken hero u do know fungle only roots right? u can use items and abilities when fungled

Yes, I also think it only roots like Vorpal's Javelin. But don't tell me a surprised hero can react quicker with his Taser than the Unix who engage.

[Rem]

For the record unix's fungal is a root interrupt, if your using a spell/skill with a cast time or animation time its gunna be cancelled and you'll have to use it again doesn't affect AAs though

[Hogwarts]

Yes, I also think it only roots like Vorpal's Javelin. But don't tell me a surprised hero can react quicker with his Taser than the Unix who engage.

 

buy an elexier dont be surprised map awareness is a skill if you lack it ... doesnt mean a hero is broken

[lOvOl]

When playing Unix as a hard caster, there are a number of ways he could be rendered near useless late game as for him to reliably use his ult before he needed to have several utility items. Now in the recent patch with the increased range on his ultimate a Unix player can fungal at long range and use his ultimate now without fear of being silenced or just autoattacked with stun baton (SHC range is still long enough to counter him, though you have to warp into melee range of him). Unfortunately, this makes using squishy builds pointless against him because if you get fungaled at the right range you will be dead before fungal ends or an ally can help out. So really the nature of Unix's ultimate kinda leaves no grey area as it is either OP or useless.

 

Your best bet now is have adequate health and spell resist and just run or blink out of his ultimate if the Unix has the trifecta of grav edge, argus, and yamato and is good about using the right range of fungaling and ulting. Nevertheless, once a team has detection and a counter item or two (or just a hero with silence or stun), he is very easy to kill the way most Unix players build him (straight int).