NoWaterJustIce Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 I wanted to make a lists of all the current hero's and their roles so we can see where we are good and where we are lacking. With this list a hero can be in multiple roles Carry(14) -Kerri -Cain -Tychus -Lz -leo -Shadow -Zera -Darpa -Toxi -Grunty -Nova -Tosh -Zergling -Maar Ganker(18) -Bio -Brine -leo -Shadow -Zera -Rancor -Tass -Nova -Tosh -Zergling -Toxi -Unix -Null -Garamond -Grunty -System -Jakk -Cow Jungler(9) -Shadow -Tass -Nova -Tosh -Grunty -Zergling -Leo -Balrog -Darpa -Boros Tanks(10) -Brine -Micro -Drake -SS -Balrog -Tychus -Lz -Vorpal -Erekul -Jackson Initiators(9) -Brine -Micro -Drake -Vorpal -Boros -Zera -Tass -Jackson -Queen Pusher(8) -Bio -MK -Zergling -Maar -Unix -Garamond -Queen -Jakk Burst(16) -Cain -Cow -Brine -Vorpal -Drake -Boros -Rancor -Vergil -Nova -Dustin -Raynor -Garamond -System -Null -Jakk -Darpa -Balrog Support(9) -MK -Rory -Egon -Queen -Null -Rancor -Raynor -Maar -Jakk Feel free to suggest if you think a certain hero should or shouldn't be a specific role(i dont play all the heros and i dont see them all played enough to know) or if there is a role you notice isn't up there let me know. Note that just because i have put a hero in a certain role doesn't mean i think that they are great at it just that they can do it well enough to be classified that way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithdehun Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Wouldn't null be a ganker? Leo as jungler also? Null also as a burst damage with the R + Q + E combo? Well thats what i think im probably wrong lol :3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWaterJustIce Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Wouldn't null be a ganker? Leo as jungler also? Null also as a burst damage with the R + Q + E combo? Well thats what i think im probably wrong lol :3 i have never seen a leo jungle but i suppose its possible :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithdehun Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 i have never seen a leo jungle but i suppose its possible :) Isnt Q an effective farming skill? boost attack speed and aoe dmg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWaterJustIce Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Isnt Q an effective farming skill? boost attack speed and aoe dmg? it is im just saying ive never seen it :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EterNity Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Balrog is a good jungle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithdehun Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Oh and Queen as initiator (Ultra Stun) ? Muel as initiator (Lockbox Combo of doom) and burst? And you have 2 nulls in burst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWaterJustIce Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Oh and Queen as initiator (Ultra Stun) ? Muel as initiator (Lockbox Combo of doom) and burst? And you have 2 nulls in burst. I can see queen but i see the mule lockbox combo as more of a ganking tool than an imitation tool but im still open to persuasion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sTeveN Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 dustin is a burst dmg dealer, not necessarily a carry. despite his short cd ult in late games, dustin isn't that good compared to those leechy true carries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doxthefox Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Drake= tank, initiator, spell burster, ad carry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWaterJustIce Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 dustin is a burst dmg dealer, not necessarily a carry. despite his short cd ult in late games, dustin isn't that good compared to those leechy true carries. But the burst dmg gets quite consistent late game, idk I'm iffy on where Dustin really goes in the first place (hence the ?) Drake= tank, initiator, spell burster, ad carry. I try to forget the ridicules burst dmg from drakes lance and ulti, but as far as Ad carries go i wouldn't put drake on a list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICUH Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 I never saw tychus or maar carrying team... Tychus can tank and initialize but lack DPS (at the end) to carry. And you are forgetting System and Grunty are the one of best ganker. Jakk could be average ganker but still good and Pusher Raynor and rancor are also good support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWaterJustIce Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 I never saw tychus or maar carrying team... Tychus can tank and initialize but lack DPS (at the end) to carry. And you are forgetting System and Grunty are the one of best ganker. Jakk could be average ganker but still good and Pusher Raynor and rancor are also good support. -Tychus is one of the hardest late game carries and Once Maar has his int items can rape entire teams from afar (Fire ball has a range of 20 does 7-800 dmg and has a 2 second cd) - i did forget thank you for reminding me -KK :) -while rancor and raynor could be support i feel as though nobody would ever build them that way as they are so much better as int burst casters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysi Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 MAAR as support? Auras and teleport for allies. AoE spells. Frost wave is a nice slow for team mates to catch up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geneon Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Cow = support, burst, ganker no? and (personally wouldn't add) pseudo-carry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWaterJustIce Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Cow = support, burst, ganker no? and (personally wouldn't add) pseudo-carry i dont see how cow is a support? his ulti has a support purpose in healing but he isnt a support hero. and are you saying i should make a pseudo-carry role or i shouldnt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazySoldier Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 DARPA jungle Nvm. I see it now. You are perfect quistman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geneon Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Well I say support because Cow's wall can be used both offensively and defensively for teammates, building Cow for IH usually means supportive type items and yeah, like you said the toilet provides healing/sustain thus support. But of course, that is just my opinion. As for the pseudo-carry thing, i say no because I don't find it as a concrete role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazySoldier Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 And take that question mark off dustin right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWaterJustIce Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Well I say support because Cow's wall can be used both offensively and defensively for teammates, building Cow for IH usually means supportive type items and yeah, like you said the toilet provides healing/sustain thus support. But of course, that is just my opinion. As for the pseudo-carry thing, i say no because I don't find it as a concrete role. imo the wall is just another form of cc, but it also does massive aoe dmg. Most cows ih are built Pure int and semi carry teams. i suppose you could build support for cow but it just wouldn't be as good. I dont often see cows in pubs but i would assume you would still build tanky int and possibly aa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Support(8) -MK (because of aura) -Rory (because of stun and healing) -Egon (because of healing) -Queen (because of stun and healing) -Null (because of stun i guess) -Rancor (because of stun and scans?) -Raynor (because of silence and mark?) -Maar (because of auras) Then, we couldnt add Jakk as support because of the lineal stun and the free wards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itsthatguy Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 I suggest adding -Summoners- to the list (1st rate means completely reliant on summons and needs them 100% to survive, 2nd rate means reliant on summons, but can live without them. - Tosh (2nd rate summoner) - Gara (Extreme 1st rate summoner) - Raynor - Biotron (1st Rate summoner) - Crackling - MarineKing (1st rate summoner) - Tassadar (2nd rate summoner) - Unix - Queen (1st rate summoner) I'd like to see more Extreme 1st rate summoners. A hero with a summon isn't really special tho ): When it comes to a point you have to rely on them (like gara's final and his AA) it becomes super reliant on them where you can't even do anything without them. (Not to mention Tower Support) Questionables: - Rory? (If you count turret) - Jakk? (If you count his final as a summon...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captcpc Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 I suggest adding -Summoners- to the list (1st rate means completely reliant on summons and needs them 100% to survive, 2nd rate means reliant on summons, but can live without them. - Tosh (2nd rate summoner) - Gara (Extreme 1st rate summoner) - Raynor - Biotron (1st Rate summoner) - Crackling - MarineKing (1st rate summoner) - Tassadar (2nd rate summoner) - Unix - Queen (1st rate summoner) I'd like to see more Extreme 1st rate summoners. A hero with a summon isn't really special tho ): When it comes to a point you have to rely on them (like gara's final and his AA) it becomes super reliant on them where you can't even do anything without them. (Not to mention Tower Support) Questionables: - Rory? (If you count turret) - Jakk? (If you count his final as a summon...) Don't really see how it would be a role. Summons are really just skills that help with certain roles (ei. Scouting for ganks, dps for pushing and possibly carrying, etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itsthatguy Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Don't really see how it would be a role. Summons are really just skills that help with certain roles (ei. Scouting for ganks, dps for pushing and possibly carrying, etc). It is a type of hero. They help provide map awareness and help multi-push lanes. It also requires enemies to target more than 1 enemy. Summoners can be unique in their own way :) They can be used for flanking too. I find it hard to say that Gara is not a summoner and Marine King is not a summoner. They kinda are =/ especially as some heroes can't deal with summoners since there are so many and may lack AoE. P.S. Isn't Micro a ganker? He has teleport and can gank enemies with - Teleport + Throw - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliwan Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Garamond isn't a summoner because his minions last for 8 seconds each. They can't be used to ward or anything, and the only abilities that make use of his minions is his Ulti now. Back when he had freaking Arbiter and Kill Command (standard ability)... now THAT was epic. Misantrophy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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