Reaper Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 nerf bio ulti to something like 6 seconds, make bio minions herioc/or change propoties of shrapnel cloak and make shrapnel cloak a viable counter for bio ulti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydie Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Just use phase cloak bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliwan Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Shrapnel Cloak works on BioTron's minions... o_0 It just won't kill them. Still disables their attack afaik. Also Phase Cloak works equally well most of the time. So does Smokescreen >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firnefex Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 No, this helps only in the beginning/mid game. Later Bio has always an elixir! Although he will be nerfed, I think either ulti should last a bit shorter or nerf minion damage scaling too. Another option would be to make it even lesser spamable (at least 80/70/60s)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydie Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 For late game then use warp shard. Anyhow lategame his ulti is easy to counter as almost any hero (int can lockbox themselves too). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firnefex Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 For late game then use warp shard. Anyhow lategame his ulti is easy to counter as almost any hero (int can lockbox themselves too). Warp Shard can rescue you, but not for sure. Lockbox doesn't help because they wait for you and you are surrounded when comming out = death.Name me these easy counters pls! Explosive is too weak, scan counters smoke, Shrapnel only last 3 seconds. There are few heroes which can beat these strong minions, for example Vorpal ulti+surge (what a waste), Vergil ulti (the same). You can almost kill a Drake with it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaper Posted October 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 hang on shrapcloak stops bio ulti, since when i littelrry just tried it and it didnt work and phase cloak is ok until as firenex suggested he gets elixer or even buys boundary scanner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 DST works well. A warp shard can be used to dodge the ulti projectile completely, or be used to tele across cliffs and trees, which buys enough time so the ulti wears off. Having teammates or any blink spell works too. In terms of spell counters, all blinks and pseudo blinks are counters (Virgil, Cyprus, Darpa, Micro, Zera, Biotron burrow), all sprints are counters (Sprint talent, nova, lord zyrkhan). Full counters such as Shadow vortex, Cain Q, Cow wall and Natural hero counters such as Erek the man and toxi with DST Btw, smokescreen is supposed to be popped on bio if he has elixir, then you blink/cloak for guaranteed escape. Does nobody remember smokescreen mechanics now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimera Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 SHM and Nitrogen Retrofit is a good counter if you have the suitable hero for that combo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 SHM and Nitrogen Retrofit is a good counter if you have the suitable hero for that combo. Shm and nitro will not work well in general. It is not cost efficient as an intentional bio counter; it does help if you have a hero who would already get those items, but those items on their own are not going to fully mitigate bio ulti damage, especially vs a proficient bio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamescossey Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 bio's infested are getting 33% reduce health, as well as bios claymore isnt goign to give time scale so he wont be able to use ulti as often. as well as like it was already said his ulti is very easy to get away from, early game get smoke screen late game have warp shard or an item that will slow htem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvest Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 DST works well. A warp shard can be used to dodge the ulti projectile completely, or be used to tele across cliffs and trees, which buys enough time so the ulti wears off. Having teammates or any blink spell works too. In terms of spell counters, all blinks and pseudo blinks are counters (Virgil, Cyprus, Darpa, Micro, Zera, Biotron burrow), all sprints are counters (Sprint talent, nova, lord zyrkhan). Full counters such as Shadow vortex, Cain Q, Cow wall and Natural hero counters such as Erek the man and toxi with DST Btw, smokescreen is supposed to be popped on bio if he has elixir, then you blink/cloak for guaranteed escape. Does nobody remember smokescreen mechanics now? cain's Q doesn't freeze bio's minions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroyer Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 cain's Q doesn't freeze bio's minions Yes it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliwan Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 It doesn't stop to hit Bio's minions, which means that if you are Cain and got ulti'd by BioTron you can't freeze them [an allied Cain can though]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itsthatguy Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 In my opinion, Biotron's final needs a nerf early game only. Late game its more of a distraction or inconvience (unless your way behind). I believe Biotrons minions give +400% movement speed during buff? I think it shud be Lv1 CD: 60 ; Lower PR (physical resistance) 10% (Same) ; but biotron minions gain +300% movement speed (100% less than current) Lv2 CD: 45 Lower PR 20% (Same) ; But biotron minions gain 375% Movement Speed (25% less than current) Lv3 CD: 30 Lower PR 30% (Same) ; But biotrons minions gain 450% Movement Speed (50% more than current) Could also make them have 8% Biotron's Max Hp but 50% Spell resist (Giving AA a chance to at least kill them) but idk. I say this because majority of heros have low movement speed at beginning but some heros gain movement speed or items that can counter the civs or its just such a late game that they have little effect. Early game for example, if your raynor, GG to you, but late game raynor can have warp shard or phase cloak or Chilling artifact, ect. that can counter the minions Counters to Biotron: Impunity (Talent: Early game) (Reduce all damage u take by 10) This talent counters all summons early game since summons usually do around 15 - 25 damage limiting to 5 - 15 damage only. Chilling Artifact (Item: Always) Dark Steel Titan (Item: Sometimes works) Nitrogen + Super heated (Item: Works if your not slowed to begin with) Shrapnel (Item: Works Slightly [3 seconds usually isn't enough]) Warp Shard: (Warp decently well) Phase Cloak (Works very well if your not being chased) Phantom Menace (Item: Decent Depends if you started running or your already caught by slows). There is also a hero that MAJORLY counters Biotron and that would be Hybrid.Maar, His passive makes biotrons minions have 0 Sight so he is forced to be engaged on the unit he finals the entire time or else he deals no damage at all. Toxi also is pretty good at countering biotron with his armor. Heros that counter Biotron: Units that can lower enemy movement speed passively or around himself, Teleports, and massive AoE damage. Also, smoke screen is very counterable. -True sight- -boundary scanner- And boundary scanner actually cost Less than smoke (Cost 40 3 total for 120) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapricorN Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 Impact dial is counter too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 Impact dial is counter too. No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapricorN Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 No. Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itsthatguy Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 Why not? Impact dial is a slight counter, but since its not instant (0.5 secs) and lower distance that warp shard, you don't really gain much distance. You can't pass terrain either like cliffs. Although it is decent counter if you are able to use it as u get finaled by biotron. (Meaning you used it to escape before the minions surround you). Impact dial works but has its limits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapricorN Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 But it help you to survive and you also can help your teammate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Inpact Dial is just the best item :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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