Lamest Hero In The Game?

[lOvOl]

Now like many players I play pretty much all the heroes, but unlike most I usually try and play weak heroes the most or ones that are not very popular. On the other hand, there are players who play nothing but Boros and Shadow and maybe Cyrpus and stick the right items on them and think they are good at the game. Now there are theoretical counters to those heroes, but unfortunately the game is pretty broken at the moment against certain lame heroes.

 

There are probably 5 heroes that are in very need of a nerf but my top 3 lame heroes are:

 

(1) Boros with Cerebro and Phantom Menace. Cerebro in particular is just super lame to the point it is almost pointless to play AoS right now when someone picks Boros. There are simply no solid counters to permanent spell storm as barbed plating damage does nothing (since it is spell damage) when spell storm is on 100% of the time. And as an agility hero Boros has very high armor so unless you go for a high damage crit build and have someone to soak the damage, you will simply never kill Boros ever and he will kill your whole team. It has been a long time since I have seen anything this broken in SotIS/AoS so when players pick Boros they are automatically lamos in my book.

 

(2) Shadow with stun baton. Shadow has been extremely broken for a long time with lifesteal, yet some people say "well just get barbed and executioner's axe, and they neglect to realize that barbed can be countered by solid lifesteal and executioner's axe does not do anything when you can't attack Shadow because you are stuck in his 12 second ultimate. Not to mention you are permastunned from stun baton and can't channel any spells or items so even trying to use small hadron collider to get out of the radius of his ult so you can at least attack back is really darn hard and won't save you if you don't already have 4-5k health on you. While an ally can kill Zeratul in his bubble, there is not much anyone can do to help you when Shadow is screwing you over. I mean Drake is supposed to counter Shadow but stun baton makes Drake players cry (because he cannot counter with his ultimate) not to mention almost every other hero in the game.

 

(3) Cyprus and his insane mobility and crazy burst damage thanks to the 25% spell damage buff from Yamato and 20% spell damage buff from argus. You simply have to have a taser or you will never kill him because he can just jump around too much. Sure some heroes with crazy spell resist and health can soak his damage well, but the majority of heroes are not built this way. Add in a cerebro and that ultimate of his is available almost all of the time. Maybe not as crazy as what it does for Boros or double moly Rory, but still it helps make Cyprus even more ridiculous than he is right now.

[RubberDuckky]

they are very broken but very eaasy to counter...just need teamwork...

[ACiDPhoenix]

RubberDuckky, can you defend your response? IMO, Cere-Boros is the one that stands out as most broken. You can't use a Taser on him unless you get the jump on him, which is VEEERRRY difficult in the late game. You have to be very sneaky and taze before he activates SS or Omnislash, which since he can have SS up all the time, is a pretty small window. Even then, taser only lasts a few seconds, so you've got to focus down the one hero who you essentially took out of the fight, while his teammates go to town on you. The Boros has to have no team at all around him for you to overcome the Cere-Boros build.

 

Now I was told, and I'm wondering if someone can verify, does Raynor's silence shot go through spellstorm? I mean obviously it wouldn't deal damage, but does it silence through SS?

 

I haven't seen a Shadow with stun baton, so I can't comment on that, but is it true that you can use a Boundary Scanner inside Shadow's ult and gain vision that way? Truesight obviously doesn't work, but I heard Boundary Scanner does. Confirm/deny?

[Furystorm]

total crap.

Just dont be a glass cannon, and you wount have troubles 1 and 3.

 

(2) solves with teamplay. And dont forget about rancor and scan item.

 

Lonely hero was always easy victim for boros

[WhitetrasH]

RubberDukky... SSsshhh! I wanna see you counter fully geared boros, shadow, cyprus late game... you have fun now!

 

For me it's always been:

 

1) Boros (the one click wonder) - The fact that his weapon speed inside his SS has been increased (or made normal, compared to it slowing down earlier vers) makes him a walking terror right now. Very seldome do the pubbers that play boros ever use his bola anymore (his most important skill of all) & even before his nerf to bola it was the same thing, Q then R = one dead target. When nerfing boros, all they did was move the OP'ness around, by changing small things that did nothing to fix his OP state. His ulti is almost impossible to counter unless you have a mantle which at the end of the day, if you're anything but the first person he hits you might as well call it GG... thats if he doesn't have his SS up! flobing getting sick of it! Plays as a Erek (with 45 armour, Spell resist & 3,5k hp) running from boros & he melts him with more than enough omni's left to attack another hero to nothingness. Add Cerebro = GG.

 

2) Shadow with his insane mobility & Weapon damage, coupled with a bit of leech... nuff said. I've personally never come across a shadow with stun baton but that just sounds OP. No hero in my opinion should be unclickable, shadows passive is just rediculous. You can kill shadow as much as you want, the minute he has his gear, you might as well say goodnight & give up right there. Sure, he dies, but not before taking out a minimum of 2 players or your all important tank before doing so... add in a boros & it's GG. For me anyway, this debate of shadow has been going on for way to long & i personally am getting sick of trying to justify how OP this hero is compared to other AAs.

 

3) Egon & his super healing abilities! Many a time have i seen poor team composition be nullified by the hero alone. He is for me the single biggest threat in a team. With some of the new items & thier passives, he alone with so many other INT heros scale to well with them... walking around with 500+ int is an easy task these days & with gravity along with nitrogen he easily takes out many of the heros out there. His support healing is just as insane, keeping one single creep alive when tower bombing isn't difficult & makes it very easy to hit 2 towers with one wave with almost a full complement of creep. It takes OP to beat OP & for egon to dodge a fully equiped bio's ulti by standing in his health ring & healing himself is just plane rediculous. He can also stop anyone else from dying to a bio when he's around! The fact that he can heal so soon after each other is way to strong, the more spells you use the faster he heals or kills, he scales way to well with his passive.

 

4-9) Bio (which is recieving a nerf), Null (way to much damage for the little risk of himself), jakk (same as null), Keriigan (her boomerang bounces should proc nothing but on the first hit), Cyprus (abilities are way to spammable).

 

There are a few more but for me the ones mentioned here are the first to be picked in a pub game & i am personally getting sick of seeing & playing against the same heros day in & day out. it's gooten to the point where skill is no longer an option! & don't let me start on how flobing op the offensive tallents are compared to the other tallent sets!

 

Edit - @Fury, you afrade of a nerf to your excesively strong heros?

[JustZerO]

they are very broken but very eaasy to counter...just need teamwork...

Teamplay also countered 4.x toxi. Was it balanced then?

 

I think the problem is not that the heroes are too strong, these heroes are just way too easy to play with the right items. You see new users in pubs using them, feed in the early game, and in mid/late game they own.

[RubberDuckky]

RubberDuckky, can you defend your response? IMO, Cere-Boros is the one that stands out as most broken. You can't use a Taser on him unless you get the jump on him, which is VEEERRRY difficult in the late game. You have to be very sneaky and taze before he activates SS or Omnislash, which since he can have SS up all the time, is a pretty small window. Even then, taser only lasts a few seconds, so you've got to focus down the one hero who you essentially took out of the fight, while his teammates go to town on you. The Boros has to have no team at all around him for you to overcome the Cere-Boros build.

 

Now I was told, and I'm wondering if someone can verify, does Raynor's silence shot go through spellstorm? I mean obviously it wouldn't deal damage, but does it silence through SS?

 

I haven't seen a Shadow with stun baton, so I can't comment on that, but is it true that you can use a Boundary Scanner inside Shadow's ult and gain vision that way? Truesight obviously doesn't work, but I heard Boundary Scanner does. Confirm/deny?

Raynor can silence Boro while he using SS. Depend which hero u using against boro.

[RubberDuckky]

Teamplay also countered 4.x toxi. Was it balanced then?

 

I think the problem is not that the heroes are too strong, these heroes are just way too easy to play with the right items. You see new users in pubs using them, feed in the early game, and in mid/late game they own.

I barely see good ppl playing toxi in pub right now..so i dont know about he being op

[JustZerO]

I barely see good ppl playing toxi in pub right now..so i dont know about he being op

 

i said 4.x toxi. not current toxi

[RubberDuckky]

i said 4.x toxi. not current toxi

oops..so u in the wrong page :P

[RubberDuckky]

RubberDukky... SSsshhh! I wanna see you counter fully geared boros, shadow, cyprus late game... you have fun now!

 

For me it's always been:

 

1) Boros (the one click wonder) - The fact that his weapon speed inside his SS has been increased (or made normal, compared to it slowing down earlier vers) makes him a walking terror right now. Very seldome do the pubbers that play boros ever use his bola anymore (his most important skill of all) & even before his nerf to bola it was the same thing, Q then R = one dead target. When nerfing boros, all they did was move the OP'ness around, by changing small things that did nothing to fix his OP state. His ulti is almost impossible to counter unless you have a mantle which at the end of the day, if you're anything but the first person he hits you might as well call it GG... thats if he doesn't have his SS up! flobing getting sick of it! Plays as a Erek (with 45 armour, Spell resist & 3,5k hp) running from boros & he melts him with more than enough omni's left to attack another hero to nothingness. Add Cerebro = GG.

 

2) Shadow with his insane mobility & Weapon damage, coupled with a bit of leech... nuff said. I've personally never come across a shadow with stun baton but that just sounds OP. No hero in my opinion should be unclickable, shadows passive is just rediculous. You can kill shadow as much as you want, the minute he has his gear, you might as well say goodnight & give up right there. Sure, he dies, but not before taking out a minimum of 2 players or your all important tank before doing so... add in a boros & it's GG. For me anyway, this debate of shadow has been going on for way to long & i personally am getting sick of trying to justify how OP this hero is compared to other AAs.

 

3) Egon & his super healing abilities! Many a time have i seen poor team composition be nullified by the hero alone. He is for me the single biggest threat in a team. With some of the new items & thier passives, he alone with so many other INT heros scale to well with them... walking around with 500+ int is an easy task these days & with gravity along with nitrogen he easily takes out many of the heros out there. His support healing is just as insane, keeping one single creep alive when tower bombing isn't difficult & makes it very easy to hit 2 towers with one wave with almost a full complement of creep. It takes OP to beat OP & for egon to dodge a fully equiped bio's ulti by standing in his health ring & healing himself is just plane rediculous. He can also stop anyone else from dying to a bio when he's around! The fact that he can heal so soon after each other is way to strong, the more spells you use the faster he heals or kills, he scales way to well with his passive.

 

4-9) Bio (which is recieving a nerf), Null (way to much damage for the little risk of himself), jakk (same as null), Keriigan (her boomerang bounces should proc nothing but on the first hit), Cyprus (abilities are way to spammable).

 

There are a few more but for me the ones mentioned here are the first to be picked in a pub game & i am personally getting sick of seeing & playing against the same heros day in & day out. it's gooten to the point where skill is no longer an option! & don't let me start on how flobing op the offensive tallents are compared to the other tallent sets!

 

Edit - @Fury, you afrade of a nerf to your excesively strong heros?

Why dont u just using OP hero vs OP hero?

[RubberDuckky]

total crap.

Just dont be a glass cannon, and you wount have troubles 1 and 3.

 

(2) solves with teamplay. And dont forget about rancor and scan item.

 

Lonely hero was always easy victim for boros

Woot finally there is one person who truly know how to play AOS :P

+10

[Spooky]

1) Inhouses are usually over before Boros can afford Cerebro, so hard to tell how broken it is

2) Shadow can't attack everyone at the same time, even if u permastunned your teammate can just activate shrapnel cloak, which should give enough time to channel any ability. So teamplay counters shadow

3) Cyprus late game can't one shot anyone, unless someone build glass canon. He only can be problem when feeded early game. I found INT rancor more deadly late game

 

4-9) Bio (which is recieving a nerf), Null (way to much damage for the little risk of himself), jakk (same as null), Keriigan (her boomerang bounces should proc nothing but on the first hit), Cyprus (abilities are way to spammable).

Jakk is fine as it is. Kerrigan bounces proc items only on first hit. Otherwise she would be extremely OP with Pyre, Explosive, Retrofit, TimeSplitter and FoE. Her bounces can crits though as everything which is physical damage.

[Oomph]

Shadowmourne worked ok for me against shadow with stun baton. Was considering stun baton myself, but given up the idea, when killed shadow under his tower with shadowmourne + barbed. Actually thought that shadow player had a retarded item build with stun baton, didn't know that this is OP combination.

 

Agree about Boros - no viable counters against Boros with 1.2k crit under spellstorm. In best case he dies together with you, but usually he kills one player and runs away, then returns back and kills another one. Need very specific build against him, probably shrapnel cloak, of course shadowmourne, maybe taser/lockbox/impact dial would be of some use. Not sure if counter talent or stun baton breaks his omnislash - which is instakill in most cases.

[JustZerO]

oops..so u in the wrong page :P

 

did you really not understand what i wanted to say? or are you just trolling my argument because you have no counter argument?

[RubberDuckky]

did you really not understand what i wanted to say? or are you just trolling my argument because you have no counter argument?

I did understand what u trying to say lol..just trolling around...i just never and ever seen new user fed beginning game and owned in mid/late game..i agree with you that most of the heroes are easy to play with the right items...

[Keithdehun]

1) Inhouses are usually over before Boros can afford Cerebro, so hard to tell how broken it is

2) Shadow can't attack everyone at the same time, even if u permastunned your teammate can just activate shrapnel cloak, which should give enough time to channel any ability. So teamplay counters shadow

3) Cyprus late game can't one shot anyone, unless someone build glass canon. He only can be problem when feeded early game. I found INT rancor more deadly late game

 

Sorry but what is a glass cannon?

[NoWaterJustIce]

Sorry but what is a glass cannon?

 

a hero that does a large amount of dmg but is very squishy meaning if u can cc them they die really fast.

 

also most ih games last until late game and then boros can get a cerebro and a lethal barb making him near invincible and coupled with khali blade and a HoM his dmg output is incredible as well. there literally is no counter to him and if his team is even half decent(the boros player doesnt have to be very good to rape face) the game is over

[Apocalyptic]

Shadow and Cyprus are very strong, but boros is downright broken imo. There are no good counters to him, and even those that exist vanish once Cerebro comes on the field. Perma SS means there is literally no counter to him. He can't be stunned, silenced, etc etc and if he every gets low he only has to omni and he leeches back up to full hp. End game boros gets a kill every time no matter how poorly he plays, no matter how many creeps are around, etc. Spell storm omni is just to good/too easy to kill with.

[Arson]

against shadow ultimate, just use this

 

and shadow ulti is another reason I use 0/11/14 with radar. You just save the radar for a shadow encounter.

Boros is an awkward hero to team up with, cause he doesn't play a real role. He has the worst initiation skill in the game (and it just got nerfed as well) and he's too squishy to be a melee dps carry. He also doesn't have an ult like shadow's or zera's which allows him to get close.

 

For me, the most obnoxious heroes are the autoed ones,

ie.

 

null --> because as well as a good stun he has crazy damage with his e and good support with force fields

marine king --> he can push like crazy

tychus --> i witnessed a level 13 tychus, with 2 of his team-mates, killing tier 2 tower without creep. 'Nuff said

[WhitetrasH]

oops..so u in the wrong page :P

Why dont u just using OP hero vs OP hero?

Woot finally there is one person who truly know how to play AOS :P

+10

 

*shoves hand up in a "in your face kinda way"* Kill yourself

 

1) Inhouses are usually over before Boros can afford Cerebro, so hard to tell how broken it is

2) Shadow can't attack everyone at the same time, even if u permastunned your teammate can just activate shrapnel cloak, which should give enough time to channel any ability. So teamplay counters shadow

3) Cyprus late game can't one shot anyone, unless someone build glass canon. He only can be problem when feeded early game. I found INT rancor more deadly late game

 

 

Jakk is fine as it is. Kerrigan bounces proc items only on first hit. Otherwise she would be extremely OP with Pyre, Explosive, Retrofit, TimeSplitter and FoE. Her bounces can crits though as everything which is physical damage.

I should've been more clear on this... what i meant to say was that combined with leech, her bounces regen so much of her life, as with everything else, it should only proc on the first hit, not the bounces as well!

 

Shadowmourne worked ok for me against shadow with stun baton. Was considering stun baton myself, but given up the idea, when killed shadow under his tower with shadowmourne + barbed. Actually thought that shadow player had a retarded item build with stun baton, didn't know that this is OP combination.

 

Agree about Boros - no viable counters against Boros with 1.2k crit under spellstorm. In best case he dies together with you, but usually he kills one player and runs away, then returns back and kills another one. Need very specific build against him, probably shrapnel cloak, of course shadowmourne, maybe taser/lockbox/impact dial would be of some use. Not sure if counter talent or stun baton breaks his omnislash - which is instakill in most cases.

Shadowmourne is not seen as a viable counter due to it being a broken item. I still believe in the item but the more i play the more broken i see it. So to say shadowmourne is a counter to said hero is like saying old gayzer is a counter to bla bla... it's not a suitable arguement!

[Hanedog]

1) Boros- stupid 100% spell resist and debuffer making him the best AA tank/carry in the game (where was his weakness again?) I have noticed that many of the highest dmg ultimates have at least a small cast time... but Boros' has great cast range and is instantaneous... with how much complaint there is about him I'm pretty surprised dev's haven't looked into him a bit more...

2) Maar- ridiculous turtler! Can easily hold off any push because he has extremely high SAP dmg w/ great range and an instant cast, good slow, long range-high damage orbs, great defensive aura

3) Shadow- extremely hard to kill after he gets first tier 2/3 physical leech items

 

I can actually deal with shadow depending on the hero but I HATE boros and not a huge fan of maar either. Cypress isn't an issue as long as he remains unfed and kept silent.

[Shab]

Lol at people saying Boros is strongest AA carry/tank in the game.

 

Winning team of tournament ran boros about zero times, does that mean we're just way better than others since we didn't play it, and still win?

 

We ran cyprus once, lost with it.

 

We didn't ran shadow a single time.

 

 

Just had to speak up when I saw this retarded thread.

[ACiDPhoenix]

Lol at people saying Boros is strongest AA carry/tank in the game.

 

Winning team of tournament ran boros about zero times, does that mean we're just way better than others since we didn't play it, and still win?

 

We ran cyprus once, lost with it.

 

We didn't ran shadow a single time.

 

 

Just had to speak up when I saw this retarded thread.

 

Well since IOvOI plays pub only, and most of the comments are related to pubs, that's what we're talking about. It is an interesting point that Boros is not as effective in organized play as he is pubstomping. Although as someone said - I'm still not sure what his weakness is. It's ludicrous to have an ability in the game that simultaneously makes you temporarily invincible and deal insane DPS on a large area. I mean think about it. This is the equivalent as if Toxi was invincible while using his ult

[Shab]

Well since IOvOI plays pub only, and most of the comments are related to pubs, that's what we're talking about. It is an interesting point that Boros is not as effective in organized play as he is pubstomping. Although as someone said - I'm still not sure what his weakness is. It's ludicrous to have an ability in the game that simultaneously makes you temporarily invincible and deal insane DPS on a large area. I mean think about it. This is the equivalent as if Toxi was invincible while using his ult

Boros, as I see it, is ok at most things, but not great at anything (before he gets insanely farmed. In the tournament, we only picked heroes that had some kind of impact in the early game. Boros doesn't really have that, since dodging his bola is like the easiest thing in the world (except for if your name is Chob and you're playing Kerrigan, rofl)

 

Also, Boros ultimate doesn't deal "insane dps in a large area".