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Tosh spectres dies too fast.


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Hi, the trouble - without spectres tosh is useless.

 

But his spectres has so low hp, just omg. Any hero with even crappiest aoe spell kills them in 1 cast - and tosh becomes crap.

 

Another trouble - spectres doesnt have any health regen, so I slot always must be sustainer. - and tosh hav 5 slot items :-/

 

You can always buy Eternal Drive (or whatever is called) it gives to you 300 hp and 20 damage (not bad stats) and it's also a very good support item

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i played last days first time tosh. hes nice but i think he needs practice (spectre managment) and intense micro and hes harder to play/lane agains a bunch of caster like cyprus with his stones and ult and nerazim with his jugement cut (that kill your spectres fast) and his evasion ability or this biotron beginning at level 6.

 

i liked the combo shadow and tosh in lategame or tosh with jack or tosh with drake.

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The best counter to bio is detection and taser. If you can taze him underground, its a 5 seconds stun. Superheated Mantle kills minions rather quickly. Olympic Torch gets you a lot of extra health, if you can stay out of the way for it to build stacks. The thing about Tosh is that you shouldn't build him for max DPS. He's far too squishy for that, and unlike nova or Darpa, he hasn't got a super escape move.

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You can always buy Eternal Drive (or whatever is called) it gives to you 300 hp and 20 damage (not bad stats) and it's also a very good support item

 

This. In previous patches I would get coat of arms and sustainer primarily for the passive regen on his spectres. Coat of arms is obviously different now, so eternal drive would possibly be a very good item on him. Also, spell buffer will give your spectres some nice spell resist too.

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They need HP scaling and higher spell resist. You shouldn't need 150+ APM to play one hero and 3 to play another (Boros).

 

Spectres should also spawn on Tosh rather than where the unit died.

 

That is dumb. Ofc some heroes will take more skill to play. You want every hero to be EZ Mode? Cause i'm pretty sure 99% of aos players don't.

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This. In previous patches I would get coat of arms and sustainer primarily for the passive regen on his spectres. Coat of arms is obviously different now, so eternal drive would possibly be a very good item on him. Also, spell buffer will give your spectres some nice spell resist too.

 

Yep, it's sad CoA dont give leech or hp regen, so Eternal Drive is very nice. Anyways the cd reduction from CoA can be an option to spawn more frequently your ult, and your spectre's stun

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U can be mega pro player etc.

 

But any new user/ brain infected idiot can simply click AOE and kill all spectres with 1 shot.

 

WTF are telling about spell buffers/etc - tosh is dd, and so much much tanky items - eternal driver + spell buffer etc will make his dmg so crappy.

 

Tosh does not need weapon damage items other than pyre when in his ultimate anyways as he only does a fixed amount of true damage that replaces his physical damage and his attack speed and movement speed get promoted to their maximum rate. However, if his spectres are dead he can't do much in the way of DPS with his ultimate as 2/3 of his ultimate damage comes from his spectres. If you have sustainer/eternal drive your spectres will be getting 9 health regeneration per second and of course spell buffer gives tosh even more passive regen as well not to mention spell resist for his spectres. Those are only two items in a build for tosh.

 

In previous patches before the most recent new items were introduced my build for Tosh was star treks, coat of arms, pyre, sunflare gun, and 2 electric mantles. I got CoA mostly to keep spectres alive with the sustainer I had which gave them +3 health regen and lifesteal to keep them at full health at all times so that if they took a nuke from Rancor they would be healed up enough to survive another nuke 10 seconds later.

 

So though I admit I have not played Tosh recently (probably will just to see if my theory is correct), I would recommend items to keep your spectres alive, a pyre, and the rest should probably be mostly defense, utility, and/or cooldown type items.

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